Who can beat Naoya Inoue?

How can you be p4p staying in a single obscure weight class? Had Donaire stayed at 115-118 he would be as dominant as ever.

If someone truely is a p4p, it means they have the best skills in the game. If the skills between you and your opponents is so vast as to what your p4p title implies, then you should be able to go up in weight and overcome the obstacle of the weight difference with your p4p skills.

This is the reason why I never rated chocolatito. The only reason to not move up in weight is if the competition is actually tougher at the lower weights than the higher ones due to skill difference.

I think Donnie Nietes will be a good matchup for him, otherwise if he wants a real challenge, fight Rigo at 122. That’s true p4p.

 

Not sure I follow. He did move up in weight to a weight class he was clearly too small for and did remarkably well all things considered. He won world titles in 4 different weight classes. Have I misunderstood something?

 

Who r u referring to?

 

Oh chocolatito. This guys was always a flyweight, who drained down but he was a flyweight earlier in his career. He got tested hard at SFW and he didn’t pass the test, which shows he’s not that great. I mean we’re not talking 20-30lbs here, it’s 5lbs. I know not everyone is Floyd or pac but that’s typically what standards I hold p4p 1s to. Look at the real previous p4p 1s, they match that criteria.

The likes Mosley, odlh, rjj, Toney etc. Even Donaire had far better accomplishments and wins than chocolatito, Donaire would have put all his opponents in hospital.

 

I thought he started at Light Flyweight? Even so, I guess the argument could be made that draining down weights is even more difficult. I haven't seen enough of his early fights in all honesty to say how he looked, mind

 

Ye he did. But he needed a good opponent to prove himself, from 112-122 is 10lbs. If you're truly p4p, I'd expect you to be able to get there. He coulda met Rigo at that weight.

It's not his fault boxing elitist thought they were showing their boxing knowledge by ranking a guy who has beaten nobody p4p 1. I mean one of his best wins is Viloria. Viloria is a C-B level fighter, the type that wins a belt and thats it. Comparable to the Collazo's, Bertos and Ortiz. In fact I'd rate Ortiz and Berto above viloria.

 

I've been picking my brains on who the poster could be and it's got to be him....im 90% sure.

 

Inoue is great but not the puzzle you make him to be, the guys below have a 50/50 chance vs Inoue

Srisaket Sor Runvisai
Khalid Yafai
Juan Francisco Estrada

 

Misconception, you can stay in your own weight class, just one weight class & be #1 P4P

Who ranks higher P4P

Joe Louis (Heavyweight)
Marvin Hagler (only 160)

Compare them to 4 division champions:

Leo Gamez (105, 108, 112, 115)
Adrian Broner (130, 135, 140, 147)

Joe louis & Marvin Hagler are higher P4P than Leo Gomez & Adrian Broner who (with all respect) are good champions, but not as dominant as Hagler & Louis

P4P is a subjective theorized ranking based of "scaling up" weight, not jumping classes. It neutralizes the size & judges boxers based on achievement in their weight class, not at their matchmaking skills in picking easy titles! Of course winning multiple titles in multiple divisions requires above average skills, but doesn't always mean P4P greatness.

 

Thats why I said, you can stay in your weight class if the competition is there. Hagler had to fight Duran, Hearns and SRL to attain his greatness. Chocolatito could have fought Rigo or Donaire at the higher weight class.

Also the very notion of p4p is that youre extremely skilled, you dont need to go up but theoritically a great smaller guy will beat a decent big guy, but if you can't beat a decent bigger guy then that says your skill difference isnt that big enough in your favour.

Broner fought a bunch of paper champs, had he beat a lineal champ or similar quality in each weight then ye he would have a claim.

 

There are some though who question Hagler greatness because his biggest fights were against blown up welterweights and Lightweights albeit great ones. Had he gone up and beaten Michael Spinks then that would have left no doubt on his achievements.

 

Hagler turned pro at Light Heavyweight, Drained early to 160 & stayed there like a Spartan. Super Featherweight Duran larded his way up to 160, still that doesn't take away from Hagler P4P status

The concept is simple, you judge the boxer based on his skills, without the need of actually leaving his weight class.

Fighting at multiple weight classes is a great marketing method & in many times a progressive way of ducking dangerous fights, beating a vulnerable Title holder in the bigger division in many times, can be easier than beating the stylistic nightmare that is in the same division. As you mentioned Broner & Leo Gamez were 4 division champions yet obviously below Hagler or Joe Louis in the P4P ranking.

A Great fighter can become #1 P4P without moving up in weight class