Who can stop Mike Mccallum?

Dumb f--k. Watch boxing and not your Russian equivalent of Japanese soap opera tv shows. No-one I've seen at this weight stops him. Fay Toney, who used to be known as Lights Out landed his clean shots and McCallum kept coming.

 

They didn't peak at MW, though.

Better chance with the old McCallum at LHW, but even he was hard as hell to stop. Neither RJJ or Toney came close. Actually Toney was closer to stop him in their first fight than in their last (at CW).

 

I said 12ish learn how to read. And his resume is very close to Holyfield Whitaker and Spinks could be a little higher or a littler lower but it's very closed. I rate SRR or Joe Louis or Sandy Saddler but on a different list than Ali Floyd Mayweather and Pacquiao

 

Toney never hit like Hearns.

 

I doubt that a big MW could still make 154lbs at age 31, to be honest.

 

Hopkins maybe but hearns duran leonard and haggi were smart enough not to take that fight

 

Don't kid yourself. McCallum was nowhere in sight at middleweight by the time Hagler retired as he made his middleweight debut a year after Marvin was done. There was never any buzz or discussion of a proposed fight between the 2 no matter how much McCallum bitches about it now. He just comes off as a crybaby these days

 

Exactly.

 

Careful, it seems a lot of people have bought into the whole SRL, Hearns, Duran and Hagler thing of Mike's.

 

12'ish is close enough to 12. Didn't that expand fast when pressured. Love your ratings of SRR, Louis and Saddler, classic stuff.

 

I think he has some legitimate sour grapes over the fact that The big four avoided some high risk low reward guys like Curry, McCallum, etc in the 1984-1987 time frame.

Hearns fought Duran in '84 when McCallum would have been a very competitive match for either guy.

I agree Mike wasn't at 160 yet when Hagler reigned, but I am sure McCallum would have gladly moved up if a fight with Hagler was in the offing. Mike arguably had better credentials than Mugabi when Mugabi got the Hagler fight. Mugabi was hyped so he brought more money to the table for Hagler than McCallum would - and arguably less risk for Hagler.

I can't really blame the big 4 - they were glad to cash in against each other - that's where the big money was.

But, I also can't blame McCalum for being a little bitter. He couldn't get a super fight when he was a dominant 154 lb. champion. His biggest fights during that time frame were against Curry and McCrory, who were moving up. They were good wins and paydays for McCallum, but not the kind of money he could hope to get fighting one of the big four.

He would have been competitive with all of them and I would favor him over Duran in -84 at 154 lbs. and Hearns at 154 lbs. in the 85-86 time frame, certainly the post Hagler Hearns that beat Mark Medal. The '84 Hearns would be very tough for Mike, but it is possible Mike would come on in the late rounds and stop him. By '87 he had a shot against a slowing Hagler. I think '87 Leonard would have out sped him to a decision.

 

Are you stupid? I didn't even say my rating of SRR Louis and Saddler I just said I have them on separate list than the guys of this era.

 

You must be a rather pathetic judge.

 

Yeah Mike was a bit unlucky but it was just the way things went down. The trouble was he was neither exciting nor marketable so he was never going to get a fight with one of the big 4 off his own bat. He needed big booming ko's vs high class workman like performances. If he would have created excitement and demand he would have got his matches. No-one was going to fight a high class opponent for next to nothing when they could fight each other for mega milions. In ways he was a victim of his own style.

Personally i think he has become a bit overrated, but he is a damn fine fighter. I think he would have decisioned Duran but i'd make the rest of them favorite over him tbh. I also think peak Benitez would have decisioned him comfortably. They'd all have to work hard and be on their game tho.

Strictly at 160 from Sumbu on he barely stopped anyone, about 1 out of 7 from memory. His one punch ko of a somewhat fragile Curry gets him a lot of milage as a puncher. I don't think he packed that big a punch particularly at 160.

I think it's unfair to mention he and Hagler in the same breath. I once posted their timlines at length to show why he was never going to get a fight against Marvin.

I also don't think a single soul ducked Curry. Just when he was about to get the big money big name fights he got wiped out and never got back.

 

Hagler and McCallum were never even considered. Mike wasn't even mentioned as a middleweight until a year after Hagler retired, whereas Mugabi was ranked at 160 and was considered a killer at the time. Hindsight is hindsight, but Mugabi was considered a massive risk at 160 due to his power. Quite frankly, McCallum can ***** all wants, but there was nothing out there for such a fight to have taken place. Now Mike looks like a crybaby.