Who could beat heavyweight Toney and Jones in one night?

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  1. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Which fighters would you pick to consecutively defeat the heavyweight versions of James Toney and Roy Jones in one night?

    We're talking 2x twelve round bouts here, unless there's a knockout.








    (Impossible Mode bonus: Add Chris Byrd.)
     
  2. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    A few initial thoughts:

    If we're just talking Jones and Toney, I think Tyson could pull it off. Fight Jones first, where Tyson's reflexes and speed can reduce Jones's greatest assets. If Tyson tried for the early knockout, he could probably pull a Spinks on Roy. He could then beat Toney conventionally. It's essentially a single 15 round fight.

    Joe Louis could probably do it. Roy's mobility would give him trouble, but Louis was a great stalker who kept his power for the whole fight, and conserved his energy. He also has the size advantage over both guys, and could outbox the few guys he didn't KO.

    Not sure about Wlad. Wlad could certainly KO Roy if he landed, and he has the size to drain both guys in the clinches. I don't think Toney can press him enough, either. Wlad doesn't have the greatest stamina, but he's fighting comparative midgets here. (Though it took him awhile to beat Byrd...)

    Liston might be a good pick, for similar reasons to Louis. Doesn't have the speed, though.

    Not sure about Ali. I don't think he stops Toney, and he might have several rounds of annoyance against Roy. He would murder either guy in a single 12/15 round bout, but he might make it look less-than-effortless if he has to fight both in one night.

    Lewis might manage it, though I'd have similar doubts to Wlad.

    If it's JUST Toney and Roy, prime Foreman MAY do enough. Assuming he's fast enough to catch Roy, he's one of the few guys who could probably stop heavyweight Toney early. Push the little guy into a corner and start hammering. It would look like an ugly cross between Foreman-Qawi and Foreman-Norton.




    ...As far as the masochism Impossible Mode (Byrd, Toney, and Roy), I could maybe see Joe Louis pulling it off once or twice out of ten if the stars aligned.
     
  3. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    I can't imagine either guy having any serious chance against Wlad. They're not punching threats to him and they're simply too small to compete. Roy would be annoying at best, but if it lands right, Wlad's jab could probably KO him or at least rock him bad enough to set up the finish. Toney would never get close enough to do any good work.

    I'd the say the same goes for Lewis. Prime Tyson should smash them both up.
     
  4. TheMikeLake

    TheMikeLake Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I say Vitali Klitschko. Long and good jab and doesn't really seem to tire.

    I'd say Vitali, Wlad, Tyson, in that order.
     
  5. kingfisher3

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    no one could do it if they had to fight roy second and they cant stop toney quickly, much easier the other way round.

    foreman seems the best bet to me.
     
  6. Baclava

    Baclava Active Member Full Member

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    probably nobody. Tyson would be a good idea if he tries to knock them out, but guys like the Klitschkos or Lewis or Larry Holmes are not that aggressive and they would knock Roy or Toney out late or not at all. I am pretty sure most very good Heavyweights would beat both Roy and Toney but I am not sure if they would knock them out. Roy would be fast and move away and Toney is very durable. So I probably pick nobody to beat them both on the same night because they would have to fight maybe 20 rounds or maybe even the whole 24 rounds.
     
  7. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Where did you see fast Foreman? Both would see his punches coming before he even starts the punch.
     
  8. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Perhaps I should rephrase:

    Obviously, Foreman is painfully slow. The question is whether he's still capable of catching Roy despite the speed handicap.
     
  9. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    With Jones it depends whether Roy's legs are still with him, and that it was the dropping back to light heavyweights which killed his footwork, or it was already gone when he moved up to heavyweight.
    With Toney it depends on whether the referee tolerates rules violations or not, such as hitting to the back of the head and to the back, holding with one hand and hitting with the other, etc. If he observes that the rules are followed, Toney might well win on points vs many.
     
  10. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    Toney would be the challenging part as he would last all 12 rounds... Roy gets KO'd from the 1st flush shot from any decent HW. my guess any HW decent enough to beat Toney would also run through Roy as well. Roy didn't want to fight shot and nearly dead Buster Douglas, he didn't want Holy either. He went with glorified club fighter and cheat John Ruiz and he won because Ruiz wasn't able to use his usual tactics.

    in short LOTS of heavys could go through these two in the same night, not the feat that you're making it out to be.
     
  11. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    And if you added Byrd? :hey
     
  12. Senya13

    Senya13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Why argue with people who don't know facts. Holyfield chose to meet Toney instead of Jones, even though that meant getting less money.
     
  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    It would take 80s Tyson about 3-5 rounds to do in the both of them.
     
  14. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    It depends on the gap inbetween fights and if they can have any carbs to recharge them. If it's short or back to back then not many and forget about the likes of Louis doing it, Louis isn't losing 10 or so rounds, chasing an opponent for a KO that may not happen and having the legs to do it again. Foreman may chase shadows allot too.

    The likes of Bowe, Lewis, Wlad and Tyson are best suited. Someone like Holmes would make hard work of these opponents as good as he was.
     
  15. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Larry Holmes, Greg Page, and George Foreman prime. Also, Definitely Joe Frazier and Jimmy YOung.