Who could hit harder Wlad or Lewis ?

lewis in the right hand either straght or uppercut all day long both massive punchers but lewis stopped better opponent and on average quicker than wlad does.

 

I can agree with this.

Lennox in his later years became so self-confident (borderline cocky) that he just let his hands go more often. Wlad has brutal power in both hands but still is a bit shy to use it, although he has gotten more confident in recent fights.

 

Steward Claimed Wlad hit Harder....

 

And you base that on what?

 

Without having felt either man's shots I'd go for Lewis. It just looked like he scrambled a lot more brains when he let his hands go, and he often put his full weight behind them, something which Wlad is more hesitant to do. Wlad's shots look more stinging and snappy but a lot of guys seem to be able to take them for a number of rounds before they mentally (and physically) can't take any more.

Saying that, if Wlad catches you just right it's lights out.

 

Great point. A statistical study of heavyweights always shows a very great reduction in the chances of KO'd if you make it through the first 6 rounds. For instance, out of 30 fights Lewis had that ended in 6 rounds or less, he scored 28 ko's. Out of the 12 fights he had that went 7 or more rounds, he Ko'd only 4 opponents. Wladimir has ko'd 37 out of 39 in fights that ended in 6 rounds or less. Out of 17 opponents that went 7 rounds+, he Ko'd 12 of them.

I dunno man. Lennox' over hand right (Tim Witherspoon style "sky hook") and right uppercut when he really went for it were pretty obnoxious. Maybe Wlad could do it harder, but he just never does commit all out on his punches like that.

Tend to agree more with "Hatesrats" here. Besides, Im a union guy.

You may want to look up "BBC" in the urban dictionary online and then comment back on that:rofl

He took out Micheal Grant with a single great uppercut, and hurt Tyson pretty bad with one in the very first round(Mike did have pretty sturdy whiskers). There is probably other fine examples that I am not thinking of.

 

His opinion after watching boxing for a while and interpreting what he sees to the best of his ability, I'm guessing.:good

 

Tyson's KO% doesn't show that he was better at landing the KO blow than Wlad.

Everyone always goes on about Wlad's lack of finishing fights... yet his KO percentage is higher than Tyson, Lewis, Louis, Frazier, Dempsey, Liston, ect... His KO percentage is higher than guys known basically for their knockout power like Briggs, Tua, ect... It all makes zero sense.

Wlad has only had 3 fights go the distance in over a decade! That's incredible! He has only had 4 fights go the full 12 rounds throughout his entire career!

His KO percentage would be even higher if it weren't for a couple fights that ended in DQ against his opponent, the cut with TOS, and a short 8 round decision. Then you have a guy like Haye who only went 12 because he ran his ass off. Ibragimov wouldn't fight back... and the other 2 that went that distance with Wlad (Byrd and Peter), were knocked out by Wlad in rematches. Wlad has more knockouts than Lewis has total fights, and still has a much higher KO percentage.

That's amazing considering that the man has 61 fights.

 

Even if i sometimes give Wlad some crap as well i can only whole heartedly agree with this.
Dont hold your breath though he will never get the credit on something thats really undeniable.

 

Lewis proved serious power against serious opposition. I'll give the victory to Lewis here. Not to blame Wladimir in any way, sadly the division is just trash in comparison to what Lewis proved his attributes against.

 

I do agree with you. What I was trying to get across, and did a shitty job at, is that Mike was better at delivering an EARLY ko blow. His hand speed, squat stance, and ability to hit guys with shots they didnt see coming all contribute to this. Along with his ferocity out of the gate. Also, you do have to take into account that most of Mike's quick KO victims were very light, old, or had terrible records. Those who were big and decent (Pinklin Thomas, Frank Bruno), lingered for a while. Those who were BIGGER (Mitch Green, Toney Tucker, Buster Douglas, Razor Ruddock) made the distance or won. Well, there is Bruce Seldon, but that's a special kinda guy :yep

 

Seriously, opposition like who? Golota? As if we never saw Golota get blown away like that in his career. Michael Grant? Razor Ruddock was about as overhyped as Grant himself... and never amounted to much of anything. Lewis went the distance TWICE with an over the hill Holyfield, David Tua, Mavrovic, Mercer, Tony Tucker, Levi Billups, ect... Where is the "serious" opposition that he showed this great power against? Rahman? Lewis was always critized for being a boring fighter without a nack for finishing fights before that one great knockout against Rahman, other than a couple of out of character blow outs over guys I already mentioned... who simply weren't that great and/or prone to being taken out early. McCall? He knocked Lewis out and then they tossed him into the ring fresh out of crack rehab and he walked around the ring crying... getting hit and still not going down. You can call that great revenge if you want... the fight was a joke and sure didn't prove Lewis' power against great opposition either.

You are really overexaggerating the division then and the division now. Just because they aren't all American fighters with the American media hyping them up, doesn't mean that they are any better or worse. It's actually more competitive now because you have the entire world producing top talent and entering into pro boxing scene. Boxing all around has become much more global, which has resulted in much less American champs across the board... and all of the sudden people seem to believe that the sport is dying or that the competition has gone downhill. It's silly. We are talking about the best boxers in the ENTIRE WORLD, these guys are amazing at what they do.

Besides that, Lewis was in a very good era in the 90's (although that era was critized just like this one at the time).... yet Lewis managed to NOT FIGHT ANY OF THE OTHER BEST FIGHTERS OF THAT ERA DURING THEIR PRIMES. So, what good does it do to pound on about how great his era was? Did he fight Bowe in the pros? Prime Tyson? Prime Holyfield? Prime Moorer? Did he even fight Foreman when he was making noise? Hell no... he was content to play behind the curtains until all of those stars burnt out and then he took over the division for a very short period of time afterward. Simple as that. I hold his win over Mike Tyson about as high as I hold Holmes win over Ali.

Wlad has fought better comp. He has taken out the other Champs, he has taken out all of the young contenders.. undefeated fighters... EVERYONE. His reign has been longer and much more dominant than Lewis'. He also didn't vacate his titles to avoid his #1 contenders like Lewis did with Byrd and Ruiz. Which may have been understandable if it wasn't for the fact that Lewis was so inactive that he really didn't have any excuse for not fighting them... Lewis still found the time to somehow give Botha a title shot after he was just recently brutally knocked out by Tyson.

Take an unbiased look at their actual resumes... consider the circumstances at which they fought... and you can't come away thinking that Lewis fought better opposition and proved himself against better fighters. It's just crazy.

 

I loved Mike. Tyson and SRL were my heroes growing up as a kid and they are what brought me to boxing. However, Mike's speed was always his greatest asset. Once Mike bought into the thought that his power was what carried him... his entire career went to ****. Also, like you mentioned... Mike never proved his knockout prowess against top opposition. He looked amazing tearing through guys who were looking for a soft place to fall before Mike even touched them... but he generally struggled when he stepped up the competition against another top fighter. Not saying that he didn't knockout anybody good... but nobody that would stamp him as a KO master above someone like Wladimir Klitschko.... and he definitely didn't have more power. Mike had amazing speed with great explosiveness... and he had very good power. Nothing like what Wlad has though.

 

I was being sarcastic regarding his love of the bbc......

 

Steward said Wlad hits harder and I think he would be the best judge out there.