Ah, fair enough, KCD. I didnt detect the sarcasm in your voice when reading your post :think Seeing that you have over 5000 posts, I should have assumed you weren't ignorant to that sort of slang on here :good Obviously, this is the sort of thing he was referring to... This content is protected
Great reply:good People overestimate Lewis victories over people like Tua yet down play Wlads victories over people like Byrd, who played with one of Lewis's 'best' wins.
But not Vitali or Mercer :hey I'll take Emanuel Stewards word for it and go with Wlad in the power category. Plus when Wlad actually throws full force, the impact is insane.
I heard him say that during the Klitschko-Thompson II broadcast. About 8 or 9 years after having worked with either fighter. Not sure what good boosting Wladimir's ego does for Roach in 2012. Some stats from "The Heavyweight Blog" that may be of interest. As is known, the heavier a boxer is, the harder they are to KO (in general, not in every case, obviously). So what is the average weight of a Ko victim for say... Joe Frazier-197 lbs. Earnie Shavers-200 lbs. Mike Tyson-217 lbs. Lennox Lewis-227 lbs. Vitali Klitschko-230 lbs. Wladimir Klitschko-233 lbs. Of course, this also a big indicator that the division keeps getting bigger and bigger over time, so take those stats in the appropriate context, of course.
Klitschko quite comfortably, most of Lewis' knockouts were combinations or shots the opponent didn't see (eg Rahman) Phil Jackson, Corey T rex Sanders, Manny Steward and a few sparring partners i've read who have rated various heavyweights power pretty much said Wlad was top of the list. Back then though he threw power punches, now he might only throw 10 he commits to in an entire fight. Lewis never really stopped many guys who hadn't been stopped before, Wlad has stopped something like 14 who have never previously been knocked out.
I find it quite hypocritical that you refuse to believe the words of someone in the industry, yet consider Earnie Shavers (a man whose entire reputation as a puncher is more or less built on what others have said of him) the "puncher of the century."
It took Wlad 12 long rounds to KO small-sh Chambers who isnt a real heavy. Don't tell me he hits harder than Lennox.
Very good points. Although, you have to admit, Lennox's big shots he committed to had very serious, scary thud to them. I am still leaning towards Lewis as far as ONE big shot ko power, especially earlier in fights when he was fresh, and leaning towards Wladimir as far as consistant power throughout the fight with either hand, ESPECIALLY late in the fight. On a side note, what the **** is going on with this thread? People are disagreeing with valid opinions, backing them up and having a reasonable conversation about it. This is not what Im used to at all. Do trolls sleep at this hour or something?
I think Lewis Wlad can hit real hard when he wants to but seems to worried to plant his feet in case one comes back at him. Its hard to say because of that, but I think Lewis hit harder overall
They dont call him "Fast Eddie" for nothing. Plus, you have to admit, Eddie was pretty defensive minded and not letting his hands go. I wouldn't say it took Wladimir 12 rounds to KO Chambers. I would say It took Wladimir 12 rounds to hit Eddie clean. Besides, Eddie has fought Derrick Rossy, Calvin Brock, Povetkin, Sam Peter, Dimitriko...who else stopped Eddie? No one. No disrespect to Eddie, this is a great picture though... This content is protected
I was maybe understating Lewis' power a bit there because he did have a lot of power in each punch but most of his best Ko wins were from great combos, against Botha,Rahman,Bruno even.. He was very good at picking his shots, but the difference in performance when they let their hands go against Mercer for example (albeit i know he was 41 when he fought Wlad) was startling the amount Klitschko hurt him and Lewis never really did.
That punch he hit Rahman with was an absurd one punch KO. I mean, it was a 2 punch combination, but the left hook didnt even land. Seems funny to me that you are taught not to load up and throw round house shots for the most part. Yet because of Rahman's crazy "stick both of my arms straight out" defense, that absurd "John Wayne" style hay-maker was the best shot for the occasion. Boy, Rahman and his trainers hadnt thought of that possibility. Holy ****, did he pay the price...:nut This content is protected Good night, Mr. Rahman :tired