Who Could Stop Marvelous Marvin From Winning A Title?

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  1. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Without getting into semantics about differences between peak and prime, Hagler’s best, most consistent performances came from the title win over Minter in 1980 up to and including his win over Wilford Scypion in 1983. That version of Hagler was nigh on the perfect middleweight.

    Now, beating the likes of Mustafa Hamsho and Tony Sibson convincingly is one thing, but beating other all-time greats like Greb, Robinson and Monzon is another. Still, I’d make him even money with all of those guys.
     
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  2. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Active Member Full Member

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    I'm going with Sumbu Kalambay, Hagler lost to a few tricky boxers early in his career. And for me even Hagler in his prime, never really fought many slick skillful boxers, most of his challengers were come forward fighters. But I give Kalambay a decent chance against an early version of Hagler, and against Hagler in 87 aswell.
     
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  3. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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  4. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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  5. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Active Member Full Member

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    There was a Jr Middleweight in the 80s called Don King, who had a terrific war with Earl Hargrove. Whenever you have time I would suggest you watch it, it has one of the greatest opening rounds of all time, and it's one of the finest slugfest of the 80s.
     
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  6. Jel

    Jel Reserving the right to be inconsistent Full Member

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    Fun fight that one!
     
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  7. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

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    Oscar Dela Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Rudy Robles, Rodrigo Valdes, Tony Ayala Jr. They'd beat him to a bloody pulp
     
  8. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Active Member Full Member

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    Hagler's lucky he never met up with Mike Nixon
     
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  10. Eddie Ezzard

    Eddie Ezzard Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're 22! How on Earth do you know so much?

    I never cease to marvel at your knowledge.
     
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  11. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Active Member Full Member

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    I appreciate the kind words mate.
     
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  12. META5

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    Peak Hagler is probably the one that demolished Sibson. This has to be the Hagler that I envision. However, there's slight concerns that I see in Hagler, admittedly, in past peak performances versus Duran and Leonard that lead me to what I propose to answer the question.

    Hagler, despite the impressive physique and conditioning, wasn't a big MW. 157 lbs come weigh in, as strong as he was, there's stronger MWs. The Duran fight raises concerns for how he would fare against B-Hop, who at his best, devised and implemented game plans to negate his opponent's strong points and was stronger, with greater leverage than the Duran that Hagler fought.

    Both SRR and RJJ hit heavier and have better stamina than the faded Leonard who fought the faded Hagler. I think Roy, whilst Godly gifted might have been a bit green and definitely questionable in cahones and robustness to go mano-e-mano with the fire that I trust Hagler to bring, but the combination of speed, reflex, power and unorthodoxy might have Hagler second guessing and throwing away rounds trying to box with/figure out the conundrum that was Roy.

    The footwork, power, experience, superior punching and viciousness of SRR of Valentine's Day Massacre sees him trump Hagler in a close but clear fight for me. Hagler would throw him off with the switch hitting and his jab would definitely stop SRR coming forward and inflict punishment, making Robbi readjust. What concerns me is that Robbi can hit like Hearns, is more robust and fought back furiously, digging to body and head in combination. Robbi could also box and move like Leonard - in fact, I see him as somewhat of a Hearns-Leonard hybrid and whilst Hagler ends up covering and staying safe in close quarter exchanges, I envision Robbi, getting in around the elbows, cheeky digs to the body, dancing away and establishing dominance with a blend of back foot boxing, check hooking on the half-beat and countering with his excellent straight right.

    As great as Monzon was, I don't think he has as many gears as Hagler and think Hagler to best him on workrate and more rounded skillset.

    I don't see McCallum beating him; I trust James Toney to likely be a little too static in footwork and general workrate to outhustle him, though I see him landing some highlight reel counters and combinations; I don't see Golovkin doing it either. I would cautiously back Nunn to do it if I didn't see Toney starting to time and eventually starch him.

    Nobody that is unable to stop Hagler from coming forward without considerable readjustments is going to outwork/outfight him at his absolute best. I believe that a combination of speed, experience, ring IQ, punching power and good reflexes is what it will take to complete this monumental task. The list of fighters that I'm comfortable with is very short.
     
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  13. michael mullen

    michael mullen Active Member Full Member

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    I like the way you think Journeyman92...:beer-toast1:
     
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  14. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I see most of em as 50 50 vs Hagler, the greats that is. I think I give the best chances to Robinson, Walker, Greb?? Fitz under his own rules, Zale would be a great match, Monzon.
     
  15. Richard M Murrieta

    Richard M Murrieta Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I remember watching Irish Mike Nixon, a brother in law to the great Jerry Quarry. I watched him fight on NBC's Boxing From The Forum in 1971 and 1972, really good fighter.
     
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