Who currently has the most valuable win in professional boxing?

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  1. UKDweller

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    Ruiz knocked down Joshua 3 times, it aint a fluke.
     
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  2. UKDweller

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    Fury struggled and cheated and had to fight him multiple times to prove he is better. Parker completley outclassed Wilder in every aspect of boxing, Fury won, Parker exposed Wilder.
     
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  3. BubblesUK

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    Doesn't necessarily follow.

    He had the best night of his career, Joshua might not have been at his best...
    Ruiz wasting the rematch by coming in poor condition means we don't know if the win was a fluke or not - maybe he was all wrong for AJ, maybe he had the potential to be something really special, or maybe it was just a fluke.

    Avenged losses count for less for a reason.
     
  4. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To be in the conversation, the win really has to be over an ATG.

    So realistically, it’s either Fury over Wlad, or Bivol over Canelo, depending on how you rate Wlad and Canelo.

    The only other one may be Lopez over Loma, that’s it really.

    Are Joshua, Briedis, Spence, Fulton etc. in the same league as Wlad, Canelo or Loma? I don’t think so.
     
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  5. BubblesUK

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    Ridiculous, isn't it?

    Going 50/50 and winning a decision that genuinely could've gone either way against a guy who, at the time, didn't have a single win inside the top 200.

    Yes Zhang went on to beat overhyped fringe contender (at best) Joyce twice, but at the time Hrgovic fought him he'd done nothing...
    It doesn't magically become a valuable win on the basis of achievements afterwards in my book - or rather, you don't get lots of credit for taking a fight against someone who isn't a known threat.
     
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  6. TheWizard

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    How did Fury cheat?

    You say Fury's win over Wlad shouldn't be considered because Wlad was 39. So why should Parker's win over Wilder be considered? Wilder was pretty much just as old as Wlad.

    Fury fought a younger and much fresher Wilder in championship bouts. Parker fought a 38 year old, inactive Wilder who had suffered an insane amount of damage in the Fury fights. Not comparable.

    Fury's TKO7 domination over champion Wilder especially (2020) ranks way above Parker's win.
     
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  7. BubblesUK

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    No.

    At the same time, for example...
    Wlad was past it by the time he fought prime, PED-fuelled Fury, Joshua was still prime when much smaller (and older) Usyk schooled him twice... And Usyk didn't duck the rematch.

    Is the prime underdog beating the aging ATG once a better win than the post-prime challenger beating a prime dominant champion twice?

    You have to admit, whichever way you lean, it's much much closer than if both fights were prime-vs-prime, PED-free and confirmed in a rematch.
     
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  8. turbotime

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    Canelo over GGG rematch I’d think.
     
  9. UKDweller

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    First one is loss, robbery, other two were wins legit - but, the fact is, Parker ended his career with more impresive performance. Now we know Wilder aint even top 10, artificial ranking, artificial fake champ for years. All thanks to Parker.

    Hrgovic beat Zhang, even if you call it a controversial win, or a draw or a loss, it wasnt dominated but here were two undefeated and most avoided fighters maybe in history of boxing having a showdawn, whilst champions were covering in fear, fighting nonboxer or way below clases (Franklin, Helenius).

    You mean win that he refused to confirm? shaky UD then refused to rematch, also Klitcko was old as hell and has been dominating the division for years, for the same reason I dont mention him vs Joshua.
     
  10. UKDweller

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    Wilder wasnt spent fighter, (protected and sheltered) Wladimir has been dominating for 10 years. Also, Wilder has no notable wins against top 10 opponets, he faced Fury, lost, he faced Parker, lost.

    Wilder again, was never top 10 really, artificial fake champion, ducking his way to the belt, Parker proved that, by outclassing him, and Parker (now high rank) aint that good.

    If Wilder was, by your words spent fighter after Fuy loses? What can you say about Klitcko then, he was spent by 29 xD
     
  11. UKDweller

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  12. TheWizard

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    38 year old Wilder coming off 2 career changing beatings and 1 fight in 2 years obviously wasn't the same fighter he once was. Again, you can't ignore Wilder's age but then say Wlad was old lol. Be consistent.
     
  13. DirtyDan

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    The most valuable win in boxing clearly was Canelo's win over GGG in the rematch. GGG came into that fight as a revered puncher and destroyer, Canelo beat the absolute dog **** out of him in the first 8 rounds and pretty much ruined GGG's prime in one night. He went from the baddest man on the planet and willing to fight anyone in the world to pretty much a washed up diva and ready to retire, getting beat up by some guy with 13 fights by the name of Sir Gay Derevyanchenko soon after. That win Canelo has still holds significance to this day, it's caused a mass hysteria of delusion and desperation that hasn't been washed away yet.
     
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    :risas3:
     
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  15. BubblesUK

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    Cmon...

    At that moment, Zhang hadn't fought a single fighter inside the top two hundred.
    Are we seriously supposed to believe that 199 fighters refused to take him on? That there's not one game fighter in those rankings??

    At the same time, Hrgovic hadn't fought any top 50 guys... Again - are all of those 49 other top 50 fighters avoiding this guy?
    On what basis - because being a proven threat obviously can't be one of them, given he hadn't fought them.

    Seriously, this avoided fighter myth gets ridiculous sometimes.