Who deserves to be given the title of a true warrior - Margarito or Mayweather !!!

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  1. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    I have folllowed Antonio Margarito's career from the beginning and I have seen this guy go through so many different transitions and he has made his unauthodox style into his own art form. Some may call him garbage, some may say he has no defense, some might say he has not got any skills but in my opinion, I have seen the way this guy is able to pummel guys into submission. He is a throw back 15 round fighter and he has Joe Calzaghe type stamina and he has a serious hunger that is still apparent today. A lot of other fighters get content after they have made a few Mill$ and then slowly start to disrespect the rules of the game and finally come unstuck but from observing Margarito this guy wants to constantly challenge himself and he can definetly be rewarded for fighting the best and not ducking anyone.

    Despite the rematch against Williams which everyone seems to be calling for because if this match needs to happen then every other match that has been swept under the carpet needs to happen, this is not the only fight that has not been avenged or taken.

    This fight needs to happen just as much as Mayweather taking a risk needs to happen, or Calzaghe giving Hopkins a rematch before he retires in the eyes of many.

    Everytime I come onto eastside I will admit that I love having a go at Floyd fans because it really is about time that he either stops talking and just relaxes or he steps upto the plate to face a real challenge at 147lbs.

    The majority of people on ESB predict things based on Floyds abilities but then if this dude is such a skillful guy then the question is, why cant he make a fight happen with either Cotto, Margarito or Williams to solidify his legacy, because if the fights would be as easy as he reckons they would be then I am sure he would be in there signing to fight these guys and he would make just as much money because the fight would sell itself. People would buy the fight just to see if someone could actually beat Floyd.

    Dont get me wrong here, Floyd does not even need to fight again because he more than proved himself at the lower weights but true boxing purists will always ask those questions of why he never stepped into face a real challenge at 147lbs, this isn't WWE this is boxing and it's about time all the drama stopped and the true fights got made.

    I really hope he chooses to man up and take on someone who will boost him into the hall of fame because people normally remember the end of a fighters career and what he achieved before bowing out the sport than what he did at the start.

    Putting all ability and skills aside, do you think that Mayweather has already earned a spot in the hall of fame or will he be remembered as an all time great even though he has chosen to bow out at this point in his boxing career?
     
  2. pauliemayweathe

    pauliemayweathe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    gatti and ward deserve that title....PBF is just the best fighter...tell ur boy to fight PW
     
  3. imp4pdabest

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    Margarito can have the title, he deserves it more. Honestly, I dont think Mayweather even cares about the "warrior" title.
     
  4. Beeston Brawler

    Beeston Brawler Comical Ali-egedly Full Member

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    Mayweather is a first ballot hall of famer - beyond question.

    Margarito can get there, a few more defences should suffice.
     
  5. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    All in good time, All in good time, no doubt Im sure he will but there is a few more fighters to take out in the meantime then hopefully a rematch at 154 or maybe catch weight could be possible providing both fighters keep winning.
     
  6. Hatesrats

    Hatesrats "I'm NOT Suprised..." Full Member

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    They already fought...regardless of the outcome.
    Tell your boy to fight him! & earn his comback.
     
  7. Poirot

    Poirot Active Member Full Member

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    Margarito is a warrior - and if he takes up a Paul Williams fight then he is a warrior without a shadow of doubt.

    Although Mayweather will ger remembered for his taking of easy fights with the likes of Gatti, Mitchell, Judah, Baldomir and Hatton at 147 - recall his first fight against Castillo where he damaged his shoulders and ribs but pulled the win out. That must have took a herculian effort. He obviously has that in-fighting ability, but intelligently chooses to apply his skills in a way that he knows will get him the win so therefore running all night long.

    But people like Margarito are needed in boxing, cynical I know, because the likes of Hatton, Gatti, Ward, Castillo and Corrales if they didn'y box there would be no boxing.
     
  8. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    He already took up a Paul Williams fight, there shouldnt be a shadow of a doubt, A rematch with Williams may be a repeat it might be revenge who knows but the point is Tony already took on that challenge sure he fell short, but its time for people to stop using Williams to suit their Floyd arguments.

    Margarito has fought the top welter weights that there are out there, he fought Clottey and beat him, lost a close decision to Paul Williams, he knocked out both Cintron and Cotto for world titles.

    Those are your top welters there, like it or not Tony has faced better opposition at Welter weight and beat better opposition than Floyd has, you cant argue that, the only thing you can argue in favor of Floyd is winning the linear title from Baldimor, but easily you could also argue that Margarito would have smashed both Judah and Baldimor on the same night and I promise you this, nobody would have walked out during the fight as they did in the Baldimor fight.
     
  9. heidegger

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    I do not understand people's expectation that Mayweather clean out welter. He doesn't belong at the weight. He moved up in search of titles, which he got, good for him. He doesn't need to be a reigning, undisputed champ at 147 to prove his worth. His ATG status is secured by his work at 130, where his is the best ever.
     
  10. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    They are the top WWs but he's going to have to rematch them sooner or later unless one goes down the hole.

    He's the number 1 WW (Not the man) and until he fights Williams again, or Williams says hes done with the division, Margo will not be the man.
     
  11. Poirot

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    He has taken on all comers - Cintron twice, Cotto, Clottey, Williams, and now Mosely who on paper should wallop. He is a warrior, but in my eyes if he and Williams don't get it on again there is no linear champion. A fight with Cotto will be great, I personally want to see another and want Cotto to win. But me thinks the winner of this needs to fight Williams and we have a linear champ - regardless of what Berto and Clottey do.
     
  12. Royal-T-Bag

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    margo will have a hard time getting into the HOF but Mayweather's already a shoe in 1st ballot HOF'er
     
  13. BobDigi5060

    BobDigi5060 East Side MMA Full Member

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    We can say all we want about Mayweather turning down Margarito's 8 mil, Margarito turning down Williams career high payday, but Mayweather did give Castillo an immediate rematch after winning a close fight. Margarito has yet to fight Williams. I'm not sure how it went down but they say Williams turned down a Margarito rematch and fought Quintana and Margarito turned down a Williams rematch after fighting Cotto. Whatever.. We can't say that much about Floyd. He went right back to Castillo and cleary won his rematch.

    I think Mayweather will fight Margarito, Williams or Cotto but only after the dust settles. If the Margarito/Cotto winner fought Williams by the end of next year I think Mayweather would fight the winner of those fights at some point.
     
  14. Bazooka

    Bazooka Pimp C Wants 2 Be Me Full Member

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    There is no man at WW, even had Floyd not retired, you can not simply say Floyd has beat better fighters at Welter weight you cant even argue that, the only Bull**** argument you can muster is that ****ing Linear title crap with Baldimor but what Has Floyd really done before or since?

    He hasnt done squat except look suspect against a Shot DLH, and you some how tend to think that even that is a big deal, DLH has been beaten more convincingly before mayweather.

    The point I am making is that Margarito already fought the best Welters out there lost to one of them but beat the remaining welters out there, and in no way is he required to fight them all again, if Floyd wants to make a name for himself as the man at welter weight, Floyd is going to have to fight some of these guys.

    But that isnt going to happen Floyd is looking for an easy payday with Pacquiao, why? Hmm I think everybody knows why, its the smallest threat with the highest payout, in no way is Floyd about Legacy he is about his bank account.

    Just becuase he won a linear title doesnt make him ****, just becuase he had previously been ranked the best P4P fighter in the world that doesnt mean that he is better than Margarito, Margarito has strung together enough good solid wins, to prove that he is infact the man at welter, while Floyd has fought the right fights at welter to prove, that he is nothing more than a man at Welter calling for the smaller fighters to come up and fight him rather than to fight any legit welter weight in the current state of the divison.

    in other words the Mayweather arguement is not valid at all, he hasnt done ****. you can argue De La Hoya and Baldimor all you want until your blue in the face, but you cant deny the fact that Margarito, Clottey, Williams and Cotto are the best of the WW and Floyd has yet to face any of them.
     
  15. Solid Chin

    Solid Chin Concrete Wars Full Member

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    The only reason Mayweather rematched him coz he beat him literally one handed so with 2 it makes the job easier and Castillo aint no Margarito. Margarito was and is much better than Castillo.

    And the only way Mayweather fights any of these fighters is when they are all shot worn, MAYWEATHER DOES NOT TAKE RISKS, PRETTY BOYS DONT DO THAT...HE DOESN'T WANT TO MESS UP HIS MAKE UP...