Who did better vs Frank Moran? Jack Johnson or Jess Willard?

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  1. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    The ESPN copy is the copy that came from big fights. The same copy I have. Its no longer than the version currently on youtube. Nice try, you have no secret knowledge just like you havent seen Langford-Hague or any of the other imaginary things you pretend to have done.
     
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  3. mcvey

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    You are quite right I said that in good faith I also corrected that statement. The clips I had seen were Langford v Lang' which ,as you will know is readily available to view on You Tube.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRRYS9Rh7Bk

    As you have taken the trouble to find that quote from me perhaps you will now reciprocate and post the more recent one admitting I was wrong and stating categorically that I havent seen the fight?
     
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  4. mcvey

    mcvey VIP Member Full Member

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    In answer to the underlined lie,here is what you actually posted.

    "This fight with Jeanette was billed as the World Heavyweight title,
    as recognized by the French Boxing Federation which had stripped Jack Johnson for his dubious draw with Jim Battling Johnson"

    26th Oct 2010.


    You said this the other day:

    "Willard won every round against Moran according to Box rec"

    This is what Box rec really stated.

    "Most papers gave Willard nearly every round""

    Spot the difference?
     
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  5. Mendoza

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    McVey, Much of what you say has been debunked. You just don't like my source, as it doesn't fit your narrative.


    Burns broke Johnson's ribs. -Mentioned before in boxing history. Could be false

    Burns had jaundice. - Mentioned in the Burns book and by Kevin
    Smith, an expert on early black prizefighters.

    Jeannette scaled 165lbs for the last Johnson fight. - That is what Jeannette said!

    Johnson fouled Jeannette because he was losing. - Subjective. The foul was clear and fighters go low for reasons. Johnson at times fouled, and some of its on flim.

    The Jim Johnson fight was scheduled for 20 rounds but abbreviated to 10 to save Jack's title . - As quoted by hard core researchers at the defunct CBZ. I was quoting them.

    Johnson had his title taken away by the French Boxing Board because of his fight with Battling Jim. - I said the French wanted to strip him you DOLT.

    Johnson picked Jeffries as the greatest heavyweight. - Didn’t he say this in his auto bio?

    Battling Jim was in front and deserved the win. - According the NY Times, Johnson escaped with a draw.

    Jeffries was level in his first fight with Jim Corbett . - Not again!! As Adam said it was anyone fight just before the KO, and if you read the round by round reports I posted, and score them in a modern sense, he was slightly in the lead.

    Jeffries was holding his own with Johnson until he tired.- the first 6 rounds would be scored a draw. Jeffries was a little better in the first four rounds, and drew first blood. He visibly tired as the rounds went on.

    You've seen the Langford Hague fight. - So have others here.

    Johnson can clearly be seen sporting a black eye in the Ketchel fight [This one is especially hilarious] - Revised to there was a clear mark on Johnson's face from a sold blow ( One of the few ) that Ketchel landed.


    LIAR, BIGOT, and a FOOL you are.. No wonder you defend Johnson. You must like the law breakers, the liars and wife beaters.
    If most papers gave every round to Willard, its likely a 10-0 shut out for Willard. DUH.

    Most papers did not give every round to Johnson vs Moran, so I think we know who did better vs Moran.:deal

    There is also footage to judge. If you watch the footage between Willard and Moran you can see Willard is the better.

    If you watch the footage between Johnson and Moran, each has their share of moment.

    Just don't ask me who did better vs GunBoat Smith.
     
    Mendoza, Jan 6, 2015
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  6. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    So McLair,

    The Pathe Library has the clips to Langford vs Hauge? And you have seen rounds 2 and 4? . You said it did not exist recently. Keep flip -flopping and covering your tracks. I do appreciate the humor in it.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
     
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  7. mcvey

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    None of your post is correct or supported by verifiable facts.
    I tore each part to pieces last week and can't be ****d to do it again
    Still no answer on which rounds you gave Moran against Johnson!
    ps I haven't seen the Hague v Langford fight and neither have you. More lies to add to your catalogue.
    Here is a post fight interview with Burns after the Johnson fight,No mention of Jaundice.
    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/pag...searchTerm=fitzsimmons interview&searchLimits

    I also have an interview with Jim Jeffries in which he freely admits he was behind against Corbett something his then manager W Brady vehemently confirmed.
    Here it is!

    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/pag...-title=44|||l-decade=193|||l-category=Article



    Unlike you I produce sources.


    You just LIE!
     
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  8. edward morbius

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    I don't want to get into this,

    but the British Film Institute website does seem to imply that they have a copy of Langford-Hague.

    Can't say anything for certain, but perhaps one of our British posters could call them and check it out.

    By the way, has anyone ever checked with that Prague museum where they find all those old and thought lost mainstream movies (recently a color copy of the 1929 Mysterious Island) to see if they have boxing films?
     
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  9. mcvey

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    BFI ? I'll do that tomorrow.:good
     
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  10. klompton2

    klompton2 Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Ive been in touch with the BFI for years. They dont have Langford Hague. There are a ton of films listed in their catalogue that they do not have. Not the least of which are Carpentier-Wells, Gunboat Smith, and Jeanette. A large portion of the films in their catalogue have been lost due to deterioration, theft, or they never had to begin with.

    Notice the notation:

    LANGFORD-HAGUE BOXING MATCH.
    Work - 214999 - 1909 (Release)
    France - Film

    This content is protected


    But by all means feel free to keep contributing to Mendoza's delusions. Speaking of which, Mendoza, why do you keep saying the sources dont say Johnson won almost every rounds when they clearly show that he did and won that fight not only easily but without even trying hard? Its pathetic how you can be confronted with solid facts from first hand sources that shatter your arguments and continue to argue as if youve never seen them. Thats pretty close to the definition of insanity.
     
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  11. mcvey

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    As you know I thought I had seen some of Hague v Langford it turned out I was mistaken and I addressed that on this forum eating humble pie after a heated argument with yourself!

    I'm almost sure I saw some clips of Jeannette v Carpentier, this would have been about 45 years ago? It was a boxing film night in a pub hosted and films supplied on super 8 projector by Gary Duff son of the late Mickey Duff,who had I believe a franchise from Bill Cayton? I think Gary lives in the US now ? If you are certain this fight does not exist ,I must be mistaken, I'm not infallible and am happy to defer to anyone with more info. Mendoza is something else! The man is deranged!
    You present him with SEVEN first hand accounts stating Johnson won the Moran fight comfortably and he totally ignores them, the man isn't rational.

    He claims to have seen 40+ minutes of this fight and that a fair decision was a draw. How on earth he arrives at that conclusion from 5 full rounds and 4 edited ones that definitely do not add up to 40+ minutes is very strange.:huh


    I won't bother with the BFI.
     
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  12. Mendoza

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    McVey said he saw it ( Langford vs Hague ), now he's changing his story. Funny stuff.:lol::lol::lol: Maybe he just doesn't know what he's watching.

    Johnson won almost ever round vs Moran? I highly doubt Adam Pollack will see or write it that way. Many rounds were close, and Moran won his share, so the " Johnson won almost every round " will be shot down.

    As I said the footage we can see today shows a close fight.

    http://www.lostmag.com/issue36/frankmoran.php

    Johnson won every round you say? Not so.
     
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  13. mcvey

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    1 I said I was mistaken on the Hague fight over a year ago you ****!

    2 That is not a source you ****. Seven French ringside reporters are a source!

    3 Where did you see 40+ minutes of this fight please elaborate?
     
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  14. Mendoza

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    You don’t know what your watching or seeing and have a peculiar way of saying different things in different posts!

    I’m not sure if you’re lying again, or are flat out incompetent on mistakes. Carpe Diem Mr. Dunning Kruger!
     
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  15. mcvey

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    After all the bull**** you've posted on this you still haven't addressed my questions.
    HOW MANY ROUNDS DO YOU GIVE MORAN?

    WHERE HAVE YOU SEEN 40+ MINUTES OF THIS FIGHT?


    WHERE HAVE YOU PROVIDED ONE SINGLE SOLITARY PRIMARY SOURCE TO BACK UP YOUR CLAIM THAT IT WAS A CLOSE FIGHT AND ONE YOU CLAIM SHOULD HAVE BEEN A DRAW?

    ONE FACT IS GLARINGLY APPARENT HERE.

    YOU ARE A BIGOTED CONGENITAL LIAR.
     
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