Who did Ike Ibeabuchi knockout?

Vitali was an arm puncher and Byrd himself said that Wladimir hit 3 times harder than Vitali. He said EXACTLY that: "Honestly, Wladimir hits 3 times harder than Vitali". You can watch it here, it's on the very beginning of the video:

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Also Kevin Johnson said that being hit by Vitali is like being hit by a car and being he by Wlad is like being hit by a huge truck. Johnson fought Vitali and sparred with Wlad. Phil Jackson, who fought Wlad and sparred with Vitali, said that Wlad was much harder puncher and he was sure that Lennox Lewis would have been knocked out if Wlad landed the same right hand as Vitali did in the second round. Mairis Briedis also said that Wlad was much harder puncher of the two.

As for Izon being a harder puncher than Ike - well, what's the prove for that? His KO over Savarese, whose chin was average? Or his stoppage win over Derrick Jefferson? Wlad put Jefferson down hard with every punch he landed. Early in the fight. While Izon was only able to hurt Jefferson when Derrick got deadly tired, and Izon needed multiple punches to do that. I think the difference in the punching power between Wlad and Vitali/Izon was pretty big. So if Vitali and Izon were harder punchers than Ike than the difference in punching power between Wlad and Ibeabuchi should be huge - I don't think that was the case. I actually think that Ike was harder puncher than Vitali and Izon.

 

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This^ is a nonsense case; even more fallacious than the 'X-beat-Y-beat-Z' types of argument.

 

So what proves Izon was a harder puncher than Ike?

 

Oh! What a surprise! Yet another strawman from Mendoza. *yawns

- Like I haven’t seen Lewis/Ocasio - Lewis’ 12th pro fight - an 8-rounder - in which Lewis didn’t lose a round. I wonder if Lewis might have learned a few things after that bout, in 30 more or so pro fights; 17 of which, by 2002, had been world title matches??

So what? Which orthodox boxer does? (The point of my original question)

That’s your opinion and it’s not based in reality. Neither fight carried any type of viewer appeal.

Check out Byrd’s PPV record if you doubt that, and these came after more people had become aware of who he was. By 2002, Byrd had already been paneled by Ibeabuchi and Wladimir Klitschko, with his only result of note being a win over Tua, who Lewis had beaten comprehensively, at a stroll.


Ruiz could have had his chance, but King wasn’t interested in the fight; he just wanted the strap under his control again. What’s more, is that Ruiz featured in one of the worst boxing trilogies in history, with a well-past-it Holyfield.

Other Greats like...

- Holmes
- Tyson

...to name but two.

Grant was the bigger money fight with more interest and just how bad is an opinion, which makes a case, using the term, "exposed in victory"?

See above. Plus, at this point, Ruiz was making Byrd's fights look exciting.

We’ve been through all of this before and your viscous, agenda-ridden thought process, renders you unable to accept and consider genuine research and actual facts. Not my problem.

Lewis was justified in the path he took. Ultimately, he took on a way tougher fight than either Byrd or Ruiz could ever have been, in Vitali Klitschko - whom Lewis battered to end his career on an actual high note and not with some dire snoozefest, against a couple of the least exciting boxers in the division (unless they were getting KO'd).

 

I never claimed to be able to prove it. I just said I'd bet on it.

You know what a bet is, don't you?

 

I asked for your top 15 overall. Then I said I’d pick who I think Ike would have beaten. You give me you top 15 punchers.

Still moving those goalposts...

By the way who did Cooney ever knock out to qualify?

 

You’re not very good at picking up sarcasm. I was using Cobra’s logic and said so before.

Lewis Ducked Byrd for a reason. He would not look good, Lenny was about his ego. The fight i mentioned showed why

 

No you weren't and I have not seen the "logic" you claim to have been mimicking, either. But, I can understand why you are trying to walk this back...

If that^ was sarcasm then you need to work on your delivery in a HUGE way.

Yes and I've already told you what those reasons were.

Lewis' ego must have been just fine, as he smashed Vitali Klitschko for a TKO 6; able to retire, as an aging King, satisfied with having taught the division's heir apparent a lesson or two about what it is to compete at the top flight of heavyweight boxing.

Few would have been impressed with Lewis squashing Byrd and it would have added little, if anything, to his legacy.

 

Hilarious, now you claim to know that I'm thinking! Lewis left the game with a damaged ego. He kept saying he'd rematch Vitali then showed his true colors once the WBC ordered the re-match. What happened? He quickly retired! Lewis was trying to make matches with Roy Jones and Kirk Johnson, so it's obvious he was thinking and acting like an active fighter.

If you followed boxing, Lennox often referred to himself in the third person. He had a huge ego, and was often in denial in defeat. When John Ruiz called him a girl for not fighting him, are you saying that didn't bother Lewis? Byrd talked his smack too. Beating Ruiz and Byrd would have done far more to Lewis legacy than beating Grant and Botha. Its not even debatable.

See, I bring up facts and a time line, you just try to flip things, acting like you know what other people are thinking.

Also are you saying beating Byrd who won some big fights and was highly ranked would not add to Lennox's legacy? To quote you " Lewis squashing Byrd would have added little if anything, to his legacy " That pretty poor, and your are wrong as it would have added something. Byrd was a world title holder, and highly ranked man for years. Plus it would show how Lennox would do vs a South Paw, which is a small missing part of his legacy. Ruiz whenever you like him or not was pretty accomplished, and another world title holder. Beating Ruiz would have added to Lewis legacy as he was a former champion and belt holder.

 

This^ just reads as the typical, dribble-soaked vitriol you spew, year-in-year-out.

What facts; what timeline? All I'm reading above is a whole lot of your butt-hurt opinion, based very loosely on the events of the time; the selective items that you impose your viewpoint on and think this makes you look clever, without you realizing the bigger picture and how partisan you appear (which, in itself, is staggering).

Your interpretation of 'facts' is highly questionable, at best, in what is your all-round, woefully incompetent approach to debate, made all the worse by your obvious and extreme bias against Lewis and your desperate need to build up Chris Byrd.

I don't need to try and work out what you're thinking. It's not like you make the slightest attempt at camouflaging your position.

Earlier in the thread, you made a big statement:

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Rather than admit you might have gone a tad overboard with the above - once you had been called out for this - you have instead sought to claim that you had been attempting sarcasm. (Yes, because it really is made so apparent that you were trying to be dry and witty )


Lewis actually beating Vitali was a significantly better achievement than a win over either Byrd or Ruiz would have been - for reasons already given, but ignored by you. Can you honestly disagree with this and provide a sound basis for why you believe otherwise?

On the Vitali rematch - Lewis would have been 38 years old by the time any such return bout took place. He was entitled to weigh up his options and retire. It's really that simple.

You just need to get over it. Your blatantly fanatical outlook on this subject is bordering on 'Crazyville'.

 

Alas, there is always an agenda, where that one is concerned. It's beginning to read like a script.


It was always going to be a spiky topic (for some) since it directly challenges the fan-base mythology - and, not just that of Ibeabuchi but also, to some extent, that of both Tua and Byrd - but I found revisiting Ibeabuchi's record and fights quite useful.

My gut feel has always been that Ike would have made for some very watchable fights in a new era of Heavyweights. The timing of his ascendancy was aligning nicely with the rise of the Klitschkos, which meant there were at least a couple of potential classics there. In any event, Ibeabuchi would certainly have been a welcome addition to the division, going in to the 2000's.

However, that's about as far as I can go and this thread has confirmed that for me. There's just not enough there to assert much more than this and remain within the realm of reasonable.

 

NO NO NO, you didn't read correctly. I never asked for your top 15 punchers, just your top 15. Where did I say top 15 punchers? No where in the thread.

And I asked more than once. Now your not only moving the goal posts your changing words.

Pointing out that Byrd fought many punchers and lasted the distance shows he was durable. My point which you are having trouble with is Ike stopped Byrd faster than all who fought him, including Wlad, then I used your logic with sarcasm.

But please do give your top 15 overall, I think you're afraid to do so.