Who did Ike Ibeabuchi knockout?

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Brought up on a diet of yams, groundnuts and spinach, along with the study of 1970s boxing footage (and episodes of Popeye), Ibeabuchi would grow up to become 'Super Foreman' a faster, bigger, stronger, fitter, higher-output version of Big George.

    After all, he did KO the giant Chris Byrd - Big George couldn't have KO'd Byrd.



    And, if you believe that^, you'll believe anything...
     
  2. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    What did he mean Bryd was ranked No.1?
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    He had no head movement and he was predictable.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    No, Holy was a far better counter puncher.
     
  5. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Frazier had far better head movement than Ike and hooks came up and fast.
     
  6. mark ant

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    Charles was far more skilled than Ike and far harder to hit, Walcott was more skilled than Bryd.
     
  7. Charlietf

    Charlietf Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ibeabuchi is an overrated joke. You got some people saying that he was "a bigger stronger version of Foreman with stamina" lmao Foreman knocks this nobody the **** out
     
  8. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    But Holyfield went to church more. That's all that was. You put Ike in church then what's left? Who will beat him?
     
  9. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In all seriousness, I think Ibeabuchi would have been a force in the heavyweight division, going in to the 2000's. However, the absence of results, subsequent to his KO of Byrd, naturally makes for ripe ground from which big speculations grow.

    I think Ike was heavy-handed, but I don't think he was a KO artist per se. He tended to stalk and tag his quarry and throw everything at them, once he had them going.

    Ideas about Ibeabuchi's durability get an uplift, on the strength of his tear-up with Tua, but I think this is often an overplayed card, given the way a lot of the action went, i.e. as @young griffo has already pointed out, albeit from a different angle, there was a lot of "mauling inside work".

    It was not like bombs were being exchanged round after round and Tua, to my mind, never really put it all together in that bout, anyway.

    Generally, when I read grand claims of what Ibeabuchi was, I take them with a pinch of salt. Ike beat Tua and Byrd. They were good wins on his way up the ratings but, other than this, so what?
     
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  10. Mario040481

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    Ike had all of 20 fights before going off the rails. I've never really seen too many people on the boards and forums I frequent over the years posting about him saying he was the next/last great, but squandered talent or anything. I think he probably could've continued on to be a good contender. Who knows? I don't, you don't, he don't, she don't. But the title of the thread, to say who else did he knock out, well no one. He only had 20 fights. Personally, I think knocking out a defensive fighter, a good one, and Byrd was that, in your 19th fight is an achievement of note, but just that. He did not get the opportunity to knock anyone else out, nor be knocked out, by anyone else, so we shall never know just what "The President" would, or wouldn't be. But if he could've continued on, and did so with the chin displayed in the Tua fight, that, and being an active puncher, was gonna be enough to win many fights. Against ATG's, not likely, but other strong contenders, I think quite likely. But anyone shi tting on the guy, or blowing the guy up to be the next big thing, both sets are going overboard in my view
     
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  11. Pat M

    Pat M Well-Known Member Full Member

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    So you're admitting that Shavers biggest win was over a guy (Jimmy Ellis) who had been 17-5 at middleweight, whose last significant win at heavyweight (disputed win over Patterson) was almost 5 years before fighting Shavers, who never had a significant win after the Shavers fight going 2-4-1 for the rest of his career, and weighed less than 200 pounds for the Shavers fight?

    well, if Shavers mentioned it in his book, it has to be true, we know that no fighter ever made an excuse for a loss...Shavers didn't also wear a heavy costume into the ring prior to the fight did he? Wonder why the Boxing Illustrated report didn't mention that Shavers broke his hand in the fight...?
     
  12. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    If fighters were "proven" after 2 wins there'd be a lot more hall of famers and literally hundreds of guys propped up as h2h monsters.

    Adam Kownaki had 2 decent wins and looked what happened to him. Imagine if he retired before the Helenius fight. Apparently several of you would claim he was a miraculous gift from God to the boxing world!

    I am not saying Ike was a bum or that he didn't display good fundamentals, workrate, and toughness. I am simply saying he did not show us enough to favor him over more proven guys who had literally 2, 3, 4x the number of fights over far more ranked opponents.

    It's like showing a clip of a guy who looks amazing on a heavybag but he swings at air against a moving target. I have seen many potentially great fighters who looked good with the "eye test" in the many gyms I've trained at who looked horrible in sparring or their first few fights. What you are telling me is that it doesn't take much to impress you and that makes me question your actual boxing knowledge and analytical ability.

    He might very well beat Schmeling or Charles or Frazier, anything can happen. But whose more proven? Beating a blown up feather fisted middleweight and 1 good fight with a guy who never became champ is enough to be considered world beater? Is it wrong for me to say you have to beat a world beater to be considered a world beater yourself? You don't see this in any other sport. No one looks at a 1st year rookie in the nba and claims they would beat and are more skilled than hall of famers who have multiple rings and averaged triple doubles with multiple mvps. Because in doing so you run the risk of having your foot in your mouth.

    Hence why i brought up the Earnie Shavers early retirement example. If you jump the gun going overboard overly praising a fairly untested guy and then they get destroyed you have to do damage control. Perfect example is all the people acting like they knew cherry pick Andy Ruiz was a monster all along after he stopped Joshua, a guy a lot of you were claiming was a top 5 h2h boxing god.
     
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  13. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    It's almost like you didn't read my opening post.
     
  14. Mario040481

    Mario040481 Member Full Member

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    Couldn't tell you what/who/when/where/'why "he" meant.
     
  15. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Shavers wasn't 36 lbs heavier than Ellis like Ike was over Byrd. Weight is such a huge factor that can't be overlooked in fights right, Mr. Modern day trainer?

    His biggest win was 6'3 Ken Norton who had won fight of the year the previous year and was the world champion. He also had decent stoppages over 6'4 Joe Bugner and 6'5 Roy Williams. He also dropped hall of fame Larry Holmes in his prime. It's a far more proven record than Ike. You want to rag on Jimmy Ellis but his record honestly isn't much worse than Chris Byrd and they were both former middleweights so i find this pretty funny.

    The point of shopping Shavers career just before Quarry is to show how overblown a guy's career can look if we overrated them based purely on "potential" and the eye test. If you don't like the shavers example how about Wilder? He only fought heavyweights. Had he retired before facing Fury you guys would be showering him with praise and you know it! Stop playing dumb!

    This thread isn't about Shavers. You are dodging the question for the 4th time now. What other noteworthy heavyweight did Ike Ibeabuchi stop that convinces you he'd stop various legends? If Chris Byrd is enough it's honestly very hypocritical since ive seen you and several posters criticize guys like Rocky Marciano for facing former light heavyweights.

    Shavers wasn't an excuse maker. He admits Ali and Holmes were flat out better than him. He was a hard working guy who let his work do the talking.

    He's a lot more reliable than using the "eye test" and 2 good wins to prop up a mentally unstable sex offender. I've seen people pick him to beat even modern proven h2h beasts like Holyfield, Lennox Lewis, etc. Its unbelievable.
     
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