Who did Ike Ibeabuchi knockout?

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    He knocked out Archie Moore and Ray Mercer!
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If you like limited sample of size, Max beat Joe Louis, probably the best HW of all-time. Are you going to tell me that Ike is much tougher obstacle than Louis?

    There is also one difference - Schmeling doesn't base his goodness on one fight. He was the best fighter in the world at some point and had quality wins over quality opponents.
     
  3. Tramell

    Tramell Hypocrites Love to Pray & Be Seen. Mathew 6:5 Full Member

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    In 20 fights he didn't KO anyone of major significance. He falls into the 'what if' category like so many others whose career were cut short be it on account of their own decisions, incarceration (Ike), permanent injuries (Paul Williams) or death (Valero). That's where/how I rank him.
    A talented fighter that made it to the doorstep of success, then lost access to that door.
     
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  4. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    Yes there is a gap and Ike never had the chance to close it. Ike vs Holyfield 1997, are you telling me Holyfield wins?
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is wrong with you?

    Seriously! How does your question here, bear any relationship to the post you have responded to and the thread of the discussion about Bowe being almost as unproven as Ibeabuchi?
     
  6. Fury's Love Handles

    Fury's Love Handles Mrkoolkevin Full Member

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    He beat a pensive, tentative, relatively green 198-lb version of Louis by exploiting a glaring flaw in Louis' form during a very poor performance on Louis' part. An impressiv win but yes, I think Ibeabuchi would have been a much tougher obstacle than Louis was that particular night.

    Like I said, I just don't see anything ridiculous or preposterous about picking Ike Ibeabuchi to beat the likes of Max Schmeling.
     
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  7. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    horrible analysis
     
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  8. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Byrd was done.

    If you want to call going down on your face from a brutal left hook "stunned him pretty badly", be my guest.

    You only described the part after the second knockdown to make it appear the fight was stopped too early.

    Nice try.
     
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  9. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Yes, Holy was faster and more skilled, he could block shots that came round, Ike hasd no defensive skills.
     
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  10. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah, cause Ike didn't have any weaknesses. Come on, Schmeling beat Louis because he was freaking good, nobody else beat Louis for over a decade. There is no way that Ike is a bigger obstacle than the best HW ever.
     
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  11. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Schmeling? Sure. It's not too hard to imagine. Im seeing clowns in this very thread picking Ike to beat Bowe and Lennox who were 100x more proven and just as big and strong.

    Premise? It's a historical fact Chris Byrd was 36 lbs lighter and feather fisted. It's a historical fact he was Ike's best stoppage. Therefore you and other posters clearly think this is enough evidence he can stop skilled ranked champions his own size past and present. What am i missing?
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Was he not arguing with the ref and standing when the fight was stopped?

    This is typically called a TKO and not a knockout. You can watch the replay yourself. Byrd was stunned but slipping shots when the ref stepped in.
     
  13. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Tough to say, because Ike never faced someone of champion level. He never proved anything against the best fighters in the world.

    If Louis weaknesses were so easy to exploit, then why nobody else did that to him? Louis faced far better competition than Ike and he only lost to Schmeling.

    It's tough to imagine this fight. Ike was much bigger and stronger than Max. Schmeling was very smart and crafty fighter who beat some big fighters. It's not outrageous to pick Ike here, but it's far from a sure thing and Schmeling proved a lot more in ring than he did.
     
  14. Glass City Cobra

    Glass City Cobra H2H Burger King

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    Byrd was the IBF champion and a seasoned veteran on an 8 fight win streak (+1 draw) with impressive victories over Tua, Oquendo, Holyfield etc when he was stopped by Wladmir Klitschko. I would say that was his prime.

    I am not saying Byrd had a glass jaw, but he certainly didn't have a granite chin with 4 stoppage losses. It was his defense and ring iq more so than sheer toughness. He was a feather fisted guy who had the natural frame of a light heavy, the success he had makes him quite the overachiever.

    The Point im making is that if your best stoppage win is a guy 36 lbs lighter who lacks the punching power to keep you off of him there's going to be a big asterisk* on just how good your punching power is and if it would carry over against a guy your own size who has skill+chin+power. Why am i crazy for bringing this up?

    Ike had power but we just don't know how good for sure. There isn't enough data to be 100% confident he'd stop someone of the calibre of Lennox Lewis, whose top 10 bare minimum for resume and easily top 5 h2h.

    Imagine if Tyson never collected all the belts and fought Spinks first instead to become lineal then went to jail and we never saw him again. That means no impressive KO's over big skilled ranked guys or champions like Bruno, Berbick, Ruddock, Thomas, etc. Imagine Tyson's only impressive KO over a ranked fighter being a petrified Spinks who had just moved up from light heavy.

    Imagine if Joe Louis' best knockout was the Billy Conn fight and he retired early! People would tear his resume to shreds and question if he had power at all and the effectiveness of his technique.
     
  15. Mendoza

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    Styles make fights and Holyfield with his attacking ways would be running into a bigger man who hit harder and also shrugged off Tua's best. Ike had a pretty good jab, and never gassed out. I don't see Holyfield winning 1997-2000.
     
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