Who did Ike Ibeabuchi knockout?

I've watched plenty of their fights. And I've seen guys eat more punches from Vitali than I think they would have been able to withstand from Ike.

I don't think Shannon Briggs makes it out of the early rounds against Ike. Arreola and Danny Williams go home earlier too. Etc.

 

The eye test. And the drool from Chris Byrd's mouth.

 

I had the injury. Boxing is the last thing you'd want to be doing. Vitali was probably semi functional due to adrenaline and he's the last guy to show pain.

Contrast that to Manny raising his arms after the Floyd fight, which is impossible with a serious rotator tear.

 

This one is from the Foreman vs. Byrd thread. Again, like in this thread too, you´re just not rational on the topic. Third, like from the Ruddock - Foreman thread, its just way out of proportion.
One fellow misses every chance to stop an opponent on Byrds level, until a flawed chin finally folds to a punch nobody seen coming --> Fellow goes 60/40 against another proven durable fighter and is a favourite against Byrd, who got way more chin and could box like Moorer.

This Byrd guy was low weight in TWO fights, then 193 and after that NEVER under 200 at HW again, more like 210. He went 12 rounds with Tua, Golota, McCline, agressive young Wlad, never hurt against 90+ KO ratio Vitali (shoulder inury in round 3 or 4), who could BY FAR not bring the pressure Ibeabuchi did in 5. When he got old, he STILL went longer against ATG Wlad and 11 fukkin rounds with a young fresh Povetkin.
Wow. Now that takes some bias to make this guy "low weight + fragile" fighting these bunch of big HWs for 50 rounds plus.

On the other hand, it wouldn´t surprise me you arguing old GF stopping Byrd. Since I´m not posting here alot anymore, I don´t care much. But I´m pretty sure you´re wrong way arguing like this.

What made Ibeabuchi special was the combination of stamina, chin and heavy hands. But I agree, its just n=2 + some power against lower opp. Of course he is not as prooven as Riddick Bowe or Lewis, but the chance is very high that he had good fundametals, could punch, had stamina and a solid chin. Which is way enough to trouble some smaller ATGs stylistically.
I think he lacked quickness a little bit. But no surpise at that statue.

 

How would you accurately quantify this, bearing in mind that Ibeabuchi, if nothing else, was famed for his high output (of almost exclusively powershots)?

Who knows how Ibeabuchi could have performed at 38/39 years old, after 20+ more fights?

It looks to me as though you just like throwing darts at a board, without anything to back up your shouts.

Of course - it is fine to have nothing but opinions, but it's probably more polite of you to not ask a poster to explain theirs, when you have little to nothing in support of your own sweeping claims.

 

Seriously?

 

I think the problem with this thread is the title.

By saying who did Ike knock out, there is an implication he didn’t have power to stop a durable opponent. Neither is true.

Ike was a puncher. Just watch him hit. It’s not that hard to see.

Shavers and Wilder are two big punchers. Do we all agree? Okay, who did they knock out? No one as hard to hit or as Durable as Byrd is the answer.

The weight thing Glass Cobra is fixated on makes little sense. Some of the best chins ever in the division we’re 210-220 pounds. Ali, Holmes, Chuvalo, Holyfield, Mercer, Cobb, etc...

Does anyone list their weight which was close to Byrd’s as an indication they couldn’t take a punch vs a larger man? Not that I can recall.

 

Your right, Byrd was so overrated that’s why Lewis ducked him. Lol, ibeabuchi beat a prime Byrd aswell.

 

Who did Byrd beat that was better than Lewis?

 

1. Sure but the Golota and Oquendo fights should have gone the other way

2. The fact is Ibeabuchi performed better than Vitali. Vitali developed a rotator cuff, like Golota because he kept missing punches. He still had Byrd in front of him for rounds and rounds and couldn't get him out of there. Ibeabuchi was simply more dominant and able to close the show, Vitali could not because of his own failings.

3. I wasn't making a comparison about primes, I was stating Byrd's relative performances and it's value as a win.

 

Lewis never ducked Byrd. He had bigger fights. Don King paid Lewis money to not fight either Ruiz or Byrd, I forget which.

 

You and a few others have inferred this to be the case. No such implication is made.

In fact, stark hypothetical scenarios are given by the OP to highlight the lack of credibility in big claims being made about a fighter, without sufficient evidence in support. The actual implication here is that there isn’t enough, in the way of meaningful results, to make some of the claims we have seen made about how Ibeabuchi would have fared, had his career not been cut short.

‘Elusiveness’ and ‘durability’ are not the same thing - and, neither of these are the same thing as being able to recover from a Hail Mary shot to the chin. For reference, one might think Lewis’ uppercut on Vitali Klitschko, in round 6 of their renowned contest (and this is one of the milder examples).

Had Byrd taken a shot like that from Lewis, it might well have cost him more than the fight. I very much doubt there'd have been any arguing with the referee, shortly after that shot had detonated on Byrd.

Do you really think Byrd was as durable a Heavyweight as Young, Holmes, Lyle, Bugner, Tillis, Ortiz, Fury? I don't.

In my opinion, Byrd was a bit of a lunatic, who happened to be a smaller, faster-moving target than most modern-day heavyweights were used to dealing with. Moreover, he showed that he didn’t mind shipping a fair bit of punishment to prove a point - which he did at the upper-tier of the division. Both the Wlad/Byrd matches highlight Byrd’s limitations in the Heavyweight class.

This is a fundamental flaw in your argument. Byrd didn’t boil down to 210 in the same way as the top-flight, pre-90s heavyweights did. Quite oppositely, Byrd bulked up - with there being as much, if not more, fat and water involved in that bulking, as there was any additional muscle mass.

Byrd never looked trim in there. He was a natural Light Heavyweight and was still able to make that limit, even at the age of 37.