Who did Mayweather legitimately duck from 2000-now(sans Pacquiao)

2007-now I believed he missed out on Margo, Cotto, Pacquiao, Paul Williams, Cintron, Berto to name a few

 

Mayweather has made the biggest fight possible once, when he fought ODLH. The rest of the time he managed to avoid the biggest tests in the forms of Mosley, Cotto, Margo, Williams and legitimate welterweights.

Call it ducking, cherry picking, or the fact that Floyd can't play nice with other promoters, but at the end of the day, he will be remembered as the anti-ODLH.

 

LOL-GUY COULDN'T BE MORE OFF-GET SOME BETTER SOURCES BUDDY-HORRIBLE WEAK OPINON:deal

 

when a fighter, for example DLH, says he would like to fight the winner of Margo-Cotto but instead choosed somebody else after what he saw....is that a duck???

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or, when a fighter calls somebody out then when they agreed to fight him, he killed the fight with an additional demand like OSDT or change the money split.....is that also a duck??

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How in the **** can PBF duck Zoo when they didn't even fight for the same network?:deal PBF was HBO and Zoo was with Showtime. Log off with that bull**** man.:-(

 

Hatton wanted no parfts of PBF back in 2005 when both were at 140 he turned him down and said he wasn't ready for PBF. This has been discussed plenty of times and articles out there to back it up. Hatton is the blame for the fight not happening at 140 back then not PBF.:deal

 

Face it, your hero won't be remembered as a true warrior. When he fought 140 pound Hatton instead of a 147 pound Cotto, he was ridiculed. The fact that he never faced a mandatory at 147 proves that he avoided the biggest fights in his own division.

No matter what reasons you come up with, Floyd will be known as the guy who kept his "0" at the expense of taking the biggest tests. ODLH will be known as a guy who always took the biggest fight but lost a few of them.

 

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The voice of reason.

 

Bit of a wall of text that was written by writer and trainer Stephen Edwards that pretty much talks about Floyd in detail from 130 and up.
Its a response in a mailbag question.

Floyd did not establish a great legacy at lightweight. He only fought there a couple times. His legacy was built at junior lightweight which is 130lbs. Please be specific because there is a difference. If you want to be technical Floyd struggled more at 135 which is lightweight than he did at any other time in his career. He tested the water against Emanuel Augustus and had a really tough fight. He went back up there a couple of years later and had 4 fights. Two tough decisions against Jose Luis Castillo, another tough fight against Victor Sosa and his usual dominant performance against Phillip Ndou.


Now that I have corrected you , we can agree Floyd is Not the best lightweight ever. Not even close. Ok so I said he missed guys. I’m going to start at 130 junior lightweight and work my way up. Floyd won his 1st title at 130lbs in October of 1998. Joel Casamayor and Acelino Freitas won their titles at 130 in 1999. They were both standout undefeated fighters in Floyd’s division. Those guys were champions there up until Floyd left the division. They fought each other in a unification match but no match was ever made with Floyd. I’m not saying they would have beat Floyd. I’m not saying Floyd "ducked" them. But a pattern developed early, that turned into a trend later. When you want to make certain fights, what you do is sweeten the pot(offer more money), like Amir Khan did Tim Bradley. I don’t recall Floyd doing that. Now remember this at that particular time in Floyd’s life he said after one of his title defenses that he wanted to go down history like Joe Louis and defend his junior lightweight title 25 times like Louis did his heavyweight title.


Casamayor and Freitas had not shown weakness at that time. They were undefeated. Floyd has a whisper history of making opportune fights. I give him full credit for Diego Corrales. But you guys are going to say I’m hating when I say this. But Floyd yanked Corrales chain back and forth and finally made the fight when Corarales had already planned to move up to 135, and was about to go to jail. Now I give him full credit because fighters have to deal with problems and still perform but the opportunist pattern continued.


Next up is Stevie Johnston. You may not know this but Johnston lost his lightweight title to Jose Luis Castillo. Castillo beat Johnston by a razor thin decision and Johnston caught a draw in the rematch that many thought he won. So Floyd has life and death with Castillo the 1st time, beats him close but clear the 2nd time. Now guess who is the leading contender? Guess who HBO is familiar with? Stevie Johnston. Johnston didn’t get a shot and was forced to fight in an eliminator against Juan Lascano and lost. That was the end of Stevie Johnston as a viable contender. Another trend. Attrition. Let the threats clear themselves out.


Next up we have Kostya Tszyu. Floyd moves up to 140 in 2004. Floyd only fights 1 fight that year, against Demarcus Corley where he was visibly hurt for the 1st time in his career. That fight happens to be a WBC eliminator. Arturo Gatti is the WBC champion. Floyd fights another WBC eliminator against Henry Brusseles. Now ask yourself why was it so important to fight for the WBC belt when Kostya was the RING champion and IBF beltholder. I assume because Gatti was the champion and he was an easier fight than Tszyu. Rarely in boxing do you see a prominent fighter who was champion in a lower division be forced to fight 2 eliminators. I think Floyd wanted to fight those specific eliminators because he wanted to fight that specific champion.


Ok so now we go to welterweight. By the way I have no problem with Floyd not staying at 140 too long, the money was at 147. Ok so Floyd goes to 147. I have no problem with him fighting Judah, Baldomir, Hatton and De La Hoya. Here is where you can get in this Courtney.


Why is it ok for Floyd to fight Judah in a PPV fight coming off of a loss but it’s not ok to fight Margarito coming off of the Williams loss? I think Margarito is more of a monster than Zab at 147. Tell me what you guys think? Williams is a better fighter than Baldomir we can surely agree. And Margarito/Williams was a dog fight in which Margarito started too late but came on. Zab lost to a perceived journeyman where he started too early and came down. The trend is continuing.


Next up Court I never said Floyd ducked Margarito in 2007. I said he retired in at the end of 2007 so he didn’t have to fight him. Now you ask why did Floyd have to bulk up to fight Cotto. Cotto was struggling to make 140 and he is naturally a larger man than Floyd. Top Rank matched Cotto with previous Floyd competition and like Manny, Cotto outperformed Floyd. Cotto knocked out Zab Judah, DeMarcus Corley and Victor Sosa. Floyd struggled against Sosa and Judah somewhat and Corely buzzed him twice really bad. Floyd went the distance with ALL 3. I know side by side comparisons don’t mean everything I’m just stating what happened. People use these comparisons right now against Pacquiaio. Ironic right.


Now in 2007 Cotto went on a tear. He also fought in front of the African American audience twice on PPV and did really well against Zab Judah and Shane Mosley. Floyd was coming off of his biggest year as a professional in 2007. Floyd is also part of the hip hop era. Hip Hop was invented in NY. Cotto is huge in NY. You guys always claim Floyd is about the money. Floyd was seeking rematches in 2008 with Oscar and Hatton when he could’ve fought Cotto at the Garden for a ton of GOLD. There is NO reason why that fight shouldn’t have been made in 2008. So Floyd leaves and Cotto and Margarito fight. The trend continues.


I give Floyd a slight break with Williams, but Williams was an undefeated fighter in his division that was a world champion. The trend is still bubbling. As Thenonpareil says, if Floyd can fight Ortiz he could have fought Williams. I know Ortiz was Mexican but Williams beat the baddest Mexican around in 2007. Greg you state Williams was green but he was 30-0 and he was seasoned enough to beat Margarito…. So….


Ok I am about to finish up but I have to go back to Greg. You said to me give you Pryor. I’m glad Courtney knows better. Why is that Floyd fans try to go back in history and try to find another great fighter that has missed as many fighters as Floyd? The convenient argument is Leonard ducked Pryor. Herd Theory, lies.
1st off Leonard is my favorite fighter because he is a pioneer. He wanted to be the 1st to expose a fighter. He didn’t wait around and wait on other people to do it. Leonard beat 4 fighters that were better than anybody Floyd has ever faced at the TIME he faced them. Leonard fought Benitez when he was undefeated 38-0 and a two time world champion. He beat Duran when he was 71-1 and avenged his loss twice by ko. He was also the top fighter p4p in the world at the time they fought. He beat Hearns when he was 32-0 and also the number 1 p4p fighter in the world. He fought Hagler after 1 fight in 5 years at middleweight when was 62-2-2 and had not lost in 10 years. Both of those losses also avenged by brutal ko and he was the number 1 fighter in the world. Show me another fighter who has beat the number 1 fighter p4p in the world on 3 separate occasions? If you throw in a 36-0 Ayube Kalule and a prime Terry Norris that he lost to but fought as a shot drug addict, you have a fighter who absolutely did not care who he fought and sought at fighters at the top of their game. Stop me please when I’m lying. Floyd is Leonard’s equal as far as talent but not legacy.

 

Got it.

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it amazes me that *******s mention he has ducked mosly knowing damn well all of yall have seen the tooth ache video.

 

did Cotto ever ask for the fight?

 

Nobody. Arum invented the 'Floyd is ducking' mentality. 3/4's of you clowns don't understand what ducking means in boxing.