Who did Mayweather legitimately duck from 2000-now(sans Pacquiao)

Also, when you look at Floyd's run through 140-147 and 154, who would you say were the most established champs at those weights?

At 140 it was Tszyu, and later Hatton after he beat Tsyzu. Mayweather fought Gatti and Corley at 140.

At 147 it was Margarito, Cotto, Pacquiao, P.Williams, Mosley. Mayweather fought Mosley, Judah, Baldomir and a heap of guys with few fights at the weight.

At 154 he fought Oscar, missed out on Winky as I mentioned. And if he fights someone like Canelo and not Martinez it will look worse.

However many he deliberately avoided is only known by him and his advisor Al Haymon. It just looks bad, when in the era before him the cash cow De La Hoya managed to make the big fights that needed to be made and fought most of the established best from JWW to middleweight, and he's not half as talented as Floyd.

 

fair enough with odlh, my bad. doesnt change the fact that odlh had declined.

2006 is too late for my liking wen talking about sugar and wen money did meet molsey was more about perfect timing then anything else, who cares wat belt he had.

they coulda met 2000 or earlier. i just cant imagine sugar ducking many ppl, look at the names on his resume and wen he fought them (win or loose) then compare it to moneys.

 

I understand money had something to do with it too, Winky wanted 50-50 or no fight. But ultimately he blamed the rehydration clause:

Wright blames Mayweather demanding two weigh-in' as the culprit that killed a November 12 super fight!

By G. Leon

July 21, 2005 - Junior middleweight king Winky Wright informed Boxingtalk.com that Team Mayweather's was demanding two seperate weigh-in's, the second of which would take place around noon time the DAY OF THE FIGHT. Wright cited the unusual demand as the main reason discussions for a potential super fight will Floyd Mayweather Jr. have now fallen apart. "He's the one talking about moving up to fight me 154 and if he wants to fight me he should fight me. He shouldn't try to change the rules around to make me weigh-in twice. Why would I agree to weigh-in at 157 or less the day of the fight after I'm going to have work real, real hard to make 154?," asked Wright. Mayweather's promoter Bob Arum confirmed the two weigh-in's to Boxingtalk.com explaining, "Floyd is the one taking all of the risk and he has the PPV date. He could maintain his weight for one more day by drinking some fluids and eating lightly and then after he weighs-in the day of, he could eat all he wants." Wright explains his position far more thorough in a TNT chat transcript that will be released to all Boxingtalk readers tomorrow morning.

kpw1: reported earlier today wright vs floyd will not happen because of money is that true winky?

WINKY_WRIGHT: Who reported that?

WINKY_WRIGHT: That ain't true, it's not the money…it's just that they're trying to get me to weigh-in twice.

WINKY_WRIGHT: At 157 tops the next afternoon

WINKY_WRIGHT: Weighing in at 154 is going to be hard, but I'd do it to make a big fight, but they can't go crazy now with these demands

WINKY_WRIGHT: They can't go demanding stuff that's real unreasonable if they want to make the fight.


Wright - Mayweather To Be Finalized Soon

 

Corley was an established champ who lost his belt to Judah who Mayweather fought in a title eliminator for an established champ in Gatti and was Mayweather's first fight at 140. Hatton was not interested in fighting Mayweather until like 2yrs later and neither was Cotto who both sat ringside to see Mayweather destroy Gatti.

When Mayweather moved to WW Judah, Margarito, Baldomir were the only established champs. Baldo defeated, Judah who defeated Spinks who defeated Mayorga who defeated Forrest, who defeated Mosley, who defeated Hoya. Mean while Margo defeated Antonio Diaz for a vacant title. Mosley wasn't even a WW at this time even though Mayweather called him out yrs prior to meet him at WW and he claimed he had to fix his teeth. Cotto and Williams were up and coming guys.

Winky fought Hopkins at light heavy when Mayweather fought Hoya then semi retired.

 

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/07/26/Sports/Wright_vs_Mayweather_.shtml

 

the he beat her thing doesnt convince me.

i thought he had to fix his teeth in 06?

wat does winky fighting bhop at lhw got to do with a breakdown of negotiations over unfair double weigh in. we all know how money see's the weight drain, as evidence in his view of pac vs odlh.

moneys one of my favourite fighters i just get annoyed at his choice/ timing of opponents.

 

I was replying to Fighting Fride. You are mixing timeliness all over the place.

Mayweather was fighting at 140 at this time in 2005. Wright just came off his win over Trinidad at 160. There was no reason for this fight to be made at that time nobody was demanding it and the weight classes were to far apart. To blame any side for not making the fight is ridiculous. By 07 when Mayweather was a WW even though not a full blown one yet and he fought Hoya, Wright fought Hopkins at LHW and semi retired. There never was a good time frame for Mayweather to fight Wright.

Mayweather called out Mosley back in 05 as well. Then moved up to WW specifically to fight Mosley and Hoya and maybe even Tzyu. It was Mosley and Hoya who pro longed the fights as Hoya went after Hopkins and Molsey decided to fight Vargas twice then claimed he had to get his teeth fixed. If Hoya and Mosley made Mayweather a priority over those other guys then Mayweather would have fought Mosley and Hoya as his first 2 fights at WW.

 

At the same time Hatton didn't want the fight at 140. Cotto didn't want the fight at 140. Tzyu retired. Winky Wright fight wasn't realistic. Mayweather was about to leave Arum then Arum got him Judah so he fought Mitchel as a tune up. Judah lost so they challenged Baldomir. Baldomir asked for a million or more so they turned down the Baldo fight and offered the fight the Margarito. Arum turned down the Margarito fight since they said Margarito was locked in an under card fight. So Mayweather went through the fight with Judah. After Judah, Mayweather offered Arum a 4-5 fight deal of 8mil for Margo, 10mil for Cotto, 10mil for Hatton, and 20mil for Hoya. Arum turned that down, so they split up and sued each other for owing each other money. Arum then offered Mayweather the Margarito fight for 8mil in a single fight deal. Mayweather choose to fight Baldomir for 8mil and one dollar more. Arum then came out and said that Mayweather ducked Margarito for 8mil and everyone ran with it. Mayweather fights Hoya and Hatton then retires. Arum claims that Mayweather retired to duck Margarito and Cotto even though there is no record of him contacting Mayweather or GBP to offer a fight with those guys since he left TR.

 

Note -

He ducked all these people.

Never fought anyone that good really.

But these idiots still ranked him P4P 1 forever.\


Mayweather and Pacquaio deemed equal when it comes to coming up in weight with age.


Pac picking and choosing who he fights cause of his weight class and size = perfectly okay.

Mayweather in same weight class cherry picking.

 

people rank him high because of his skills. but his resume is not at par with his high skill level. it's natural that people put him on a higher level of expectations. he did not do that though, whether he ducked or not, there are names not in his resume which people would have wanted to see. they're not saying he downright loses to the likes of cotto, marg, tszyu, williams, younger shane.. but these would have been damn good fights that are just what ifs now.

stop comparing pac in discussions like these. pac went from a completely different path. he earned his own and has a different set of accomplishments altogether.

 

I'll never get over the he ducked Zoo. How the **** can a guy fight a showtime fighter if he's contracted with HBO?

 

A Jr Lightweight moving up in weight over time and defeating a JMW is pretty damn impressive.

There is record of him offering fights to Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, Margarito, Wright, Pac. Some of them didn't work out for different reasons but he did offer guys fights and would have fought them if they were able to agree.

I can agree that his resume could be better but thats different then saying his resume is lighter then it should be because he ducked everyone.

 

floyd missed alot of good career-defining fights.

wright around 2005
margo around 2006
cotto back in 2008
pacquiao in 2010
martinez currently

 

:rofl

These guys act as if they can't see it. Zoo was Showtime and PBF was HBO yet they blame PBF for the fight not happening. If that's the case why not blame Zoo?