who did they ever beat ?

Well, thank you but I´m not a god - yet.

IMO resume has something to dow ith h2h. When fighter A struggles to beat and loses to some great fighters and fighter B impressivly beats bums and mediocre fighters than I can´t pick fighter B over fighter A in a h2h match-up or at least I´m very hesitant to do so. Think Michael Moorer at lhw.
Here with Sonny and Vitali this means ****. Their resumes are both not that impressive but Sonny´s resume is better. Alone the Patterson wins are better than Vitali´s whole resume - mind you I´m German, I followed Vitali since his debut and he is like here like Tyson was in the US, so I´m not really anti-Vitali. H2h I´d take Liston over V. Klitschko although I think Vitali has a decent chance. Like 30%.

 

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Not long enough.

I hope he does.

 

Damn, just because a guy was never stopped you will rate him higher than Liston??? Sounds crazy to me!!!

The only HW champs who were never stopped are-

Tunney
Marciano
Bowe
Ibragimov (WBO)
Valuev
...and James Toney sorta (his bout vs. Ruiz for the WBA title was later ruled a NC but he was still champ for a minute)

Are these the 6 best HWs ever? They were the only HW champs never stopped so they must be better than everybody else... right? WRONG!

 

Then you are sane. Congrats on this.

 

Tony Tucker? Seriously man, what did he ever do?

Tucker went 35-0 (30) 1NC thru his first 36 pro fights. In his 35th fight he picked up the vacant IBF HW belt by beating Buster Douglas (TKO10)... the fight was even prior to the stoppage. Prior to Douglas his best wins were Jimmy Young (W10, Young was washed up) and James Broad (W12, Broad was nothing special).

Two months after winning the IBF belt he lost it to Tyson (L12). He held for most of the fight but he did land a good shot that rocked Tyson, big deal. No shame in losing to Tyson but he never did much else after this.

He won close and questionable decisions vs. Orlin Norris and Oliver McCall. He also lost to Norris in a rematch. He was dropped twice in his wide decision loss to Lennox Lewis. He was stopped in 7 by the far from great Bruce Seldon (Tucker was 36 years old).

So, why would you think he could beat Liston? Tucker has 1 clear win over a decent opponent in his entire career (Douglas). Douglas outboxed him thru the first half of the fight btw.

Oh, that's right... Tucker won 35 fights in a row and went the distance with Tyson and Lewis (even though he clearly lost to them). He is also 6'5" with an 82" reach and 220Lbs, in his prime... he must be an all-time great!!!

Whatever.

I don't even like Liston very much but don't be crazy.

 

He defeated a in shape buster douglas. We all know how good Douglas is when he is on.

Beat Oliver Mccall and Orlin Norris in their primes. Also defeated future World Champion Oleg Maskaev by knockout.

Tucker was past his prime in the 1990s. Only one man defeated Tucker in his prime, and that was Mike Tyson. Tucker gave Tyson a tough fight(though it was clear who won).

 

I guess it does

I see Pachilles is gracing us with his presence again.....and I was just getting used to no threads about Duran

 

Lol

 

For a dominant 71-1 record at lightweight in the 70s, including 12 title wins; for beating the younger, bigger Leonard, arguably the best ever win in boxing history; for beating Barkley *at middleweight, when he was 38 years old*; for fighting in 5 separate decades. For being competitive with much bigger, younger world class boxers, and sometimes beating them, despite being well past his prime. All kinds of legitimate reasons.

 

and if he didnt have legitimate stomach cramps in 16 of his fights he'd be undefeated

 

Liston only had one title defense. His resume does not stack up to other all time greats, but the way he dispatched of the contenders of his time does.

 

if i was to die today you'd regret saying that, you'd feel bad and you would miss me. You'll appreciate me more when my careers over.

 

I never realized, until I saw the Ring listing of 1955's top heavies, just how weak the division was then. Moore, the #1, was a light heavy. Baker, #2, was just a journeyman. Jackson, #3, really couldn't fight at all. Holman an average fighter at best. Amazing that he was ever ranked fourth. The shifty Pastrano was a light hitter even among light heavies. Valdes never proved to be much. Summerlin's career was brief and unremarkable. Satterfield hit like a mule, but he lost nearly as often as he won. Young Jack Johnson? A ham 'n egger. And of course there's Ezzard Charles, a great one until his two beatings by Marciano. He's a shell by this time.

Agree or not?

 

Tucker went 1-1 vs. Norris (won in '91, lost in '96) but I thought Norris won both fights. Norris was at his best at CW.

He won a split-decision over McCall in '92.

I don't think these were the "best ever" versions of Norris or McCall. McCall was better after '92 and Norris was never a force at HW.

Oleg Maskaev vs. Tucker??? That fight never happened dude!!!

Douglas? Sure, Douglas was decent but he was also hot and cold. He had been stopped by David Bey and Mike White prior to facing Tucker. He had also lost to Jesse Ferguson. Douglas was better after facing Tucker. He went on to beat Berbick, McCall, and Tyson.

Anyway, Douglas outboxed Tucker until he fell apart late in the fight. Douglas had stamina problems.

Just because Tucker went the distance with your hero Mike Tyson, don't overrate Tucker.

Just because Douglas beat the crap out of your hero Mike Tyson... and Douglas was stopped by Tucker, don't overrate Tucker.

Tucker had potential but never fulfilled it IMO.