who did they ever beat ?

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  1. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    That's true... but prior to Tyson he didn't fight anybody either (except for Douglas).

    You can say that, "nobody beat (fill in the blank) during his prime except for (fill in the blank)" about many fighters. You can even say that some fighters never even lost in their prime...... it usually just means they didn't fight anybody worth a ****.

    Remember Brian Nielsen? Super Brian won his first 49 pro fights and had gone 5-0 vs. former World Champs. He went undefeated for almost 7 years. IT WASN'T UNTIL HE WAS PAST PRIME THAT HE SUFFERED HIS FIRST LOSS!!! LKOby10 Dicky Ryan LOL

    Or you could go this way... only Dicky Ryan beat a prime Nielsen (but Neilsen took him lightly... so on and so forth). Nielsen avenged the loss (Win Eight) and by the time he fought Mike Tyson he was well past prime (WKO7 for Tyson).

    You have to look past the numbers my friend.
     
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  2. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    How the **** can the #2 ranked contender be labelled "a total bum"? Are you high?
     
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  4. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    since you quoted my post you just exampled who is high.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    You're calling the #3 HW in the world a "journeyman at best". Even if your highly biased view of things is accurate and this is a really, really weak HW division...say the weakest there has ever been, you're labelling the third best HW in the world at that time a journeyman? That is totally spastic. At an extremely conservative view he is amongst the top 150 fighters in all of the world at that time. Why do you even follow boxing? You don't understand it and your pleasure seems to come from incorrectly pointing out when it is done badly. Why are you on these boards? Watching guys like Machen box can't give you any pleasure, at all. Why do you do it?
     
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  6. Boro chris

    Boro chris Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is Frank taking the **** or mildly ******ed?:think
     
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  7. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    Frankenfrank is clearly a guy trying to wind people up or too mental to be worth talking to. I don't know why people bother with him.
     
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  8. AlFrancis

    AlFrancis Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I really don't think he is. He just can't help it!
     
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  9. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the reason why i don't watch some of the guys , say joe louis , ezzard charles , archie moore , jersey joe box is
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    , i did watch marciano-walcott 1,2 entirely and some 2-3 years ago i have also seen charles-louis , don't remember if completely or not , but it was not too much fun really , and i mean charles-louis , don't try making it look like something i did not mean.

    and why should watching guys like machen fight when i know already he lost in most of his fights against decent
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  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    So you admit that you label these fighters "journeymen" without watching their fights?
     
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  11. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    firstly : yes.
    but then i also watched ali-liston1 and maybe 2 , and maybe even a few more of the pre 70's fights , but some of their records simply prove it.

    and there are important things one can learn from watching highlights and journeymen fighting each other , but why should i do it , where more complete fights are at hand.
    i couldn't even find many 70's and later fights.
    stander-shavers , cooney-young , cooney-lyle , chuvalo-quarry ,
    most of oscar bonavena's important fights .
    even lewis-mccall 1 is not complete (what i have) and lewis-mccall 2 was banned for viewing i guess , and there are just too many more examples i can give.

    why don't you watch kickboxing ? you know the answer ?
    why don't the old timers here watch bare knuckle fights and toughman contests that still happen ? do you know the answer ?
    i know the answer.
    and why not MMA ? some day i will get to it , but will the rest here too ?
     
    frankenfrank, Apr 27, 2010
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Then **** off.

    You're bringing really extreme contriversial opinions on fighters you haven't bothered to watch box? Because they're "so hard to see" fighting complete fights? In spite of all the complete fights on youtube? That's beyond pathetic/you pretending to gain attention. Either way, you contribute nothing.
     
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  13. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    if there are complete fights of them on youtube , i guess they are against an opposition that is definitely lauzy , although you may surprise me with an example or two , i bet most of the sane/reasonable readers will understand my idea.
     
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  14. SuzieQ49

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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Frank, everyone who reads your posts thinks you have learning difficulties. If i'm honest, the reason I am not harder on you a lot of the time is that I worry that this might actually be true...seriously.

    That said, what on earth is "lauzy"? Are you trying to say that every single available fight of Lous, Liston, Robinson, Charles, Kid Gavilan have them against "lazy" opposition?
     
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