Who did Tszyu beat?

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  1. MacManJr.

    MacManJr. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I heard of it but I always forget to visit it. It's better to hear opinions anyway but I will use that resource in the future.
     
  2. PowerPuncher

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    You probably havent compiled a list of the top50 fighters of all time to know whether hes in your top50 list or not :lol:

    Tyszu isn't good enough to be top50 of all time. I'm not even sure if he makes top20 in the last 20years, lets see:

    Whitaker
    Roy Jones
    Mayweather
    Lennox Lewis
    Holyfield
    James Toney
    Tyson
    B Hopkins
    Chavez
    Delahoya
    Mike MCCALLUM
    Mosley
    Calazage
    Barrera
    Trinidad
    Julian Jackson
    Ricardo Lopez
    Hamed
    Pacman
    Morales
    Eubank
    Nunn
    Benn
    Winky Wright
    Terry Norris
    JM Marquez

    You can make a case for all those 26 fighters being better than Tyszu and thats just over 20 years - not the 120years boxings been around. No way Tyszu makes the top50
     
  3. Relentless

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    hatton has a better resume than tszyu, tszyu is better than anyone on his resume, hatton also has castillo who is also better than anybody on tszyus resume.
     
  4. PowerPuncher

    PowerPuncher Loyal Member Full Member

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    As for top2 to fight at 140 - not close. People forget the following fighters all fought at 140:

    Sugar Ray Robinson
    Wilfredo Benitez
    Henry Armstrong
    Barney Ross
    Pernell Whitaker
    Floyd Mayweather
    Delahoya
    Aaron Pryor
    Chavez
    Arguello
    Hector Camacho

    Mosley and Duran at 135/147 showed they are just as good at 140 if they had bothered to stop instead of taking on the bigger foes
     
  5. MacManJr.

    MacManJr. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good post!
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    I probably come accross as hating Tyszu. The fact is he is an elite fighter that is a danger for anyone but he has a few glaring weaknesses. His defense is poor, he usually eats 2 punches to land a punch. His workrate lets him down against pressure fighters - Hatton/Phillips as does his inside work.

    Tyszu in terms of achievement unified a division but he didn't unify or fight great fighters.

    He never cleaned out the division either otherwise he would have faced Delahoya, Mayweather, Gatti, Cotto, Harris, Witter but he didn't. He also should have rematched Vince Phillips before 2003.

    He did fight the best at 140 from 1998-2001 when he went on a very impressive run of top opponents. If you look at his competition outside of this period it is pretty poor and he shouldn't be hailed as fighting the best from 1995-2005 because he certainly did not
     
  7. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'm not sure if he warrants some of the extreme praise that he's gotten, and I've gone on record in the past as saying that I think he's slightly overrated, but, let's be fair...

    At his best, KT was a wonderful fighter who had the ability to take a fighter out with one punch, and combined that footwork with solid fundamentals. I doubt that he would have been an easy fight for any of the great jr. welterweights, given what he brought to the table.

    He'll almost certainly make the HOF on the first ballot. Deservedly so.

    I've got him around #7 or #8 on my all-time 140lb. list, and he's got a shot at making the lower reaches of my Top 100, all-time...if I ever get around to compiling one. That may seem kind of low to some, but that has more to do with the fact that there were some great, great fighters whose accomplishments were more impressive than KT.

    Still, he was a hell of a fighter in his day. Most of us can agree on that.
     
  8. MacManJr.

    MacManJr. Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another good post but no you didn't come across as a hater to me.
     
  9. Pimp C

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    Good fighter but way overrated by his fans his two best victories Mitchell and Zab aren't that great.
     
  10. sonny73

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    To put it into context it would be like Cotto coming over to England and KOing both Hatton and Witter at 140.Not gonna happen is it.
     
  11. sonny73

    sonny73 Active Member Full Member

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    Why couldn't Mayweather KO Judah when he was past his prime if he was so rubbish?
     
  12. PACZ

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    He Unified After No One Did It For 30 Years At 140. Shane And Oscar Both Jumped 140. Hmmmmmm.....
     
  13. Relentless

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    no not really, hatton and witter are a few classes above sharmba but probably same as zab,

    and if cotto beats mosley it would be a be better than anything kostya tszyu has ever done.
     
  14. Relentless

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    yeh oscar jumped a weight to run from tszyu and fight the legendary tito trinidad, shane mosley skipped 140 to fight the man at 147.
     
  15. Nico

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    Shoot, I just posted a response to this and it isn't there!

    Anyway, I don't think the great fighters around that weight class- De La Hoya, Mosley, and Mayweather, ducked KT outright. I think it is more of a case of the risk/reward for a fight against him not being favorable. Tszyu has been my favorite fighter for over a decade, but even I have to admit that he was not a huge star/box office draw in the U.S. Mainstream fans never really knew how good he was. The three fighters I mentioned could make more money fighting someone else, and a loss against Tszyu would look bad to people other than knowledgeable fans who know just how good he is.

    To be fair, if a fight against any of them ever happened, all of them would be the favorite against KT. Although you never know what could have happened.....