Who did you perceive as being at a greater disadvantage for Hagler vs Leonard?

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Hagler wanted the fight so much he gave all the advantages to Srl. It was a close fight but at any other time with any other conditions Hagler dominates convincingly.

Boxing isn't about diamond encrusted earrings. It is about hurting your opponent.

 

probably after the humongous favorite got schooled by Norris, my turd twizzling friend!

Leonard, never faced anyone with Terry's speed and by the middle of the first, found hisself bewitched, bothered N bewildered!

It was no contest.

but Ray has only hisself to blame. instead of cherry picking old farts N clubfighters, he shouldve been sharpening his skills against opponents like Second to Nunn

but he was too timid for that, and easily scared off by the sights of speed, slickness N concussive blows to the head!

unfortunately for him, he no longer had Dundee & mike Trainer to carefully guide his career and accidetnly picked fights with the wrong people who FUKKED him up physically, mentally N spiritually. enough to put himself thru an actual retirement instead of one of those pretend retirements he always put on

Turd-twizzlers-they're TURD-ilicious!

 

anybody who says he wasnt cant face reality

Ray wasnt nearly as active as Norris

compare numbers

zero defences for Leonard at the weight vs 13 for Norris

did u know Norris screwed the huge favorite Leonard while ***** smacking him for 12 one sided rounds?

 

Why are you still bringing up Terry Norris, Elton? We've already uncovered your real agenda regarding him. Why not just stick to Marvis? Are you not secure enough in your own fandom of that absolute mental midget? You and Marvis can't live vicariously through his whoopin of Leonard forever. :-(

Clearly I'm arguing with a ****** (and not the fun, humorous sort like above.)

 

Half the voters agree with the "******". Guess we can't all hope to be as enlightened as you. Or as mature in our approach.

 

what whoopin? only whoopin that was ever dished out was from Norris to Leonard. Don't see why the name of Norris bothers u so much

twas a fair fight, no?

the weights agreed upon were the same for both fighters. Layoffs not an issue this time. Leonard was the favorite. Leonard lost every round. Leonard was embarrassed. Ray was forced to retire with his tail between his legs by the first young lion he faced. And even though his fans dont like to be reminded, this is proof that Ray was overrated from the beginning JUST LIKE WE SAID!

seriously, what other fighter asked for as many concession as Ray then got fuKKed in the ass by the first live fighter he met?

even the concession he got from Norris couldnt help him that time

and even tho Ray had the crowd on his side, m'man Terry took the crowd out of it early :yep

who the hell's "Marvis"?

 

The Norris fight illustrates perfectly his limitations as a fighter

He could handle slower fighters

he couldnt handle faster ones

 

we've all seen Leonard, that's the problem

magoo, u are too easily impressed by anything Leonard does. he throws a jab, u get impressed. he starts dancing, u get impressed. he punches out Dave Green, u get impressed

Ray did ten times more in the Hagler fight than he did with Benitez and it was the best performance of his career

but then, he did have a dead fighter in front of him

Ray told Micheal J Fox and then everyone else, I CAN BEAT HIM!

said "Mugabi, a puncher outboxed Hagler,, think of how much better I can do it - get me Hagler! Can u get me Hagler? Tell him, I want a fight with Hagler" and suddenly the match was made easy after 5 yrs of putting up obstacles by a fearful SRL thru his atty Mike "sign me up" Trainer

Ray was too fightened to fight the Hagler of old cuz that Hagler was a killer ad Ray was afraid of getting killed

perhaps had he whipped Nunn & Norris, Pryor, Curry, I would change my mind but he is far too short of accomplishments. I need to see more

 

:happy

 

now keep your eye on the ball alright?

you keep blaming his eye as the reason for the fight not coming off originally as planned but the truth is Mike Trainer deliberately placed roadblocks in the way then attempted to blame Hagler for not taking the fight under those conditions. Every time a Hagler fight was mentioned, Ray turned the other way

but the moment he saw Hagler's failing reflexes, Sugar actually pressed for the fight and the fight was easily made. the evidence was when he gave himself away with those words "I want Hagler. get me Marvin Hagler"

this means the eye never had any bearing on his decision, especially since he kept fighting till the age of 40.

this is well documented as it is on the tape of the fight itself (Sugar said he was counting on the slowness of Hagler. he said he lost a lot of speed)

that means it all has to do with a lack of speed N reflexes on Hagler's part, knowing he could never take a killer like Hagler in his prime which means his "win" was a farce all along JUST LIKE I SAID!

wantmore proof that it all comes down to reflexes? Look at the Norris fight to see what speed N reflexes destroyed your man!

is it any wonder why he ducked Hagler, and Nunn both?

 

By MICHAEL KATZ, Special to the New York Times

Published: February 13, 1983

WORCESTER, Mass., Feb. 12— For hours at a time in the days before the fight, Sugar Ray Leonard would confront Pac-Man, a losing one-onone matchup. At the current exchange rate of four to a dollar, he was probably down to his last 100 million quarters. But if he wanted to replenish his supply, he said, he would not think about coming out of retirement to fight Marvelous Marvin Hagler. Not after Friday night. The former welterweight champion will stick to Pac-Man.
Hagler, in Leonard's word, was ''magnificent'' in stopping Tony Sibson in the sixth round. Later, at the victory party, Leonard said to Pat Petronelli, one of Hagler's co-handlers:
''I didn't know he was a boxer, too. Now you understand why I retired. I don't want to mess with him.''