Who did you score Ngoudjo-***inaggi??

Draw

 

Calzaghe is one of my favorite fighters...it was more making fun of your "assessment" of how Paulie lost than it was think Joe dont hit hard (and taking a shot at the idiots who call him Calslappy).

 

And plus, your the one who says Paulie's landed shots (and jabs....) shouldnt count because they arent hard punches....

You already posted false punch stat numbers (or skewed numbers to be more accurate)...then posted the landed shots not counting thing...quit while your behind dude.

 

Punch stats aside, I thought Ngoudjo landed all the meaningful shots in this fight, and he was the aggressor. There was nothing aggressive about Malignaggi's fighting, he ran around and hugged in close

I expected more from Malignaggi, hence I stuck all my vCash on him, so in that respect I'm glad his mates at ringside gave him the nod

He'll get found out soon enough

Yes, Joe is great

 

115-113 Malignaggi

 

Yet you actually thought Whitaker/Chavez was a draw?

 

I think Herman is a very good fighter actually. Dont get me wrong. But his style doesnt match up well with a quick, defensive fighter with a good jab. Last night showed that. He did land some good shots...but they were few and far between (except for the one round he almost knocked Paulie out). In the rounds he won, he won them impressively....he just didnt win enough of them.

He would be great vs an in close fighter. I think he has a much better chance vs a Hatton (tho I think Ricky wins), than Paulie does. I mean, he looked impressive as hell vs Castillo.

I posted this in another post...but I will end it with this.

Whitaker vs Ramirez
Whitaker vs Chavez
RJJ in the Olympics
Reid vs Ottke

All these are ROBBERIES!!! (and much to the dismay of our non-american posters ALL BUT ONE happened overseas....SUPRISE!!! CROOKED JUDGES ARENT ONLY CONFINED TO THE US OF A!!!! :admin ) Calling a fight like last nights a robbery, takes away from fights like the above mentioned....which were REAL ROBBERIES!!!

What happened in Herman vs Paulie (I hate spelling their last names.... ) was one fighter losing a close but clear decision. NOT A ROBBERY! You guys need to learn what a robbery is.

 

Actually, the majority of people on here thought Ngoudjo won the fight from what I can see, even if this poll is a bit silly

It was only a close but clear decision for PM in your eyes. The majority are seeing Ngoudjo not even getting close to winning a single card, with one so unbelievably wide you wonder what the **** the guy is watching

Just because it was not the worst robbery in history, doesn't make it any better

Non US fighter getting rough scorecards in America shocker

 

Yet as shown, not one makes a lick of sense. I told you why Paulie winning makes sense...noone has refuted that. OR EVEN TRIED!!!

Herman was outlanded.
Herman was outworked.
Herman wasnt the aggressor.
Paulie displayed the better defense.
Paulie was more accurate.

I admit Herman won his rounds more impressively, but if this fight was scored correctly, round by round, Paulie wins either 7-5 or 8-4. It was a pretty easy fight to score actually.

It wasnt a robbery. It was a close fight.

So bad decisions dont happen overseas?

I guarentee you if we made a post about the worst robberies in the history of boxing...you would see these named FAR MORE than any others.

RJJ in the olympics. Took place in Korea....NOT THE US!
Whitaker - Ramirez. Took place in France....NOT THE US!
Whitaker - Chavez. Took place in Texas...THERES ONE!!!!!
Reid - Ottke. Took place in Germany....NOT THE US!

BULL**** DECISIONS HAPPEN EVERYWHERE. If you would put aside your obvious hate toward anything US, you would see that. I cant stand nationalistic bull****.

Corrupt judges, corrupt refs, corrupt promoters....are a BOXING problem...not an isolated US problem.

****ing pisses me off when a poster does nothing but bash the US as their primary point in every ****in arguement. Show some class.

 

There are plenty of robberies overseas

We don't try to paint ourselves as "the home of boxing" though and then belittle fighters that choose to stay at home (I'm not saying YOU do this, but plenty do)

We expect better decisions in the promised land, nobody goes to Germany unless they are completely stupid or sure they can knock the guy out

I can't be arsed arguing all those points. I thought Nwhatever won the fight, so we'll have to agree to disagree on that. It was not so much the decision, but the actual scoring which annoyed me even more. I'll probably watch it again later, it's easier the second time around

 

Punches landed: 28% for Ngoudjo and 29% for Malignaggi. Ngoudjo threw more and was more active.
Ngoudjo outworked? Big right hands, body shots, nice combos, stunning bombs and also an effective jab are what I saw Ngoudjo landing on Paulie most rounds.
Paulie wasn't the aggressor either.
If running and holding is for you a good defense...
More accurate? Only with his jab. Check the total power punches landed from Ngoudjo, very impressive.

I had it 116-113 for Ngoudjo, and I am neither american/canadian or from Cameroon.

 

I guess Cameroon

 

Well, I dont ever really knock fighters for staying at home. But I do take it into account.

Take Calzaghe for example (tho he has fought in England and Germany...but).

Hopkins knocked him for not coming to America. Others try to do the same with Bernard (tho Bernard has fought overseas twice).

But Calzaghe staying overseas and fighting most of his fights in Wales/England/etc. is akin to Juan Diaz fighting most of his fights in Texas....which in square mile is actually BIGGER than Great Britain (267 sq km to 242 sq km).

A US fighter from Philly can get a bum decision fighting a US fighter from Vegas in Vegas. Hometown decisions are hometown decisions...and when you spend your entire career fighting in the comforts of that hometown, it will come into play when assessing greatness.

Do I think Calzaghe would have won ALL of his fights if they happened in the opponents backyard, as opposed to his?

YES, of course. Its why I still feel he is phenominal (Ive been a fan of his since he beat Eubank actually....he even won me some money vs Lacy!!!).

But I do think that its harder to fight someone in their house than it is in yours...and this does matter. I think alot of those wins would have been a hell of alot tougher away from home.

Again, tho, biases, corruption, etc...is a worldwide boxing problem. Not a US comodity.

 

Sorry, i meant neither from america or Cameroon. I'm French. I'm not biased.

 

There are many factors to fighting away, not just distance

Some fighters like their home comforts

Some struggle with the crowds, and conversely it can lift the home guy

Biased as **** judges...

" " " refs

I wouldn't say American fighters have it any worse than Joe when they stay at home. So they may travel further. This is more than made up for the fact Joe got torrents of abuse when he fought in England before making his name, whereas the crowds aren't quite as "boisterous" there. Joe has also fought outside Britain twice, the same as Hopkins and co

Interesting you shuld bring this up, I was considering making a thread on how much importance people place on fighting away when appraising a fighter

Europeans aren't judged by the same standards as far as fighting at home goes, for some bizarre reason. I suspect bias may be a major contributing factor...