Who do yer favour to beat Ray Robinson at Welterweight

What about Packey McFarland, being as he conclusively proved himself the superior of Britton?

 

Hearns certainly not. I wouldn't be surprised if Robinson wiped him out totally to be honest.

Duran would be my shout.

 

Perhaps Monzon has a shot. To beat this guy at welter, you need to have a perfect mix of both offence and defence....cant think of any fighter in recent memory, or past history who could bring something like that to the table against Robinson at welterweight

 

Packey McFarland was a boxing wonder, but he really was a lightweight,and 138-pounds or so.We are talking about 147 pound Welterweights.

 

No, Slakka (who knows his stuff) has said Robbie pretended not to do as well in their 1st fight to build interest in a title fight where Ray won easily, He never struggled with Gavilan.

 

I think I'd add McFarland, as El Bujia has suggested, to those names along with the Duran of DeJesus III, Palomino and Montreal as the best candidates.

Britton is definitely not getting knocked out. Robby would have to win a decision. Jack decked and got the best of Walker in their first bout before Mickey returned the favor in their title rematch, posted the only knockout win over Lewis in their series, and was well ahead of Benny Leonard after 12 in his final successful defense. He could also compete on even terms with middleweights like O'Dowd. I wouldn't favor him over Ray though.

Barbados Joe? If Langford and Gans could use their superior height, reach and mobility to outbox Walcott (and Sam was very good at doing this when competing at the lower weights when he was actually the taller man), then I'm sure the 5'11" SRR could do it.

McFarland was shorter than Ray, whose jab was extremely effective as an offensive weapon from long range. Without footage of Packey though, all we have is his ridiculous record to go on. If any lightweight could do it, McFarland may be the most likely, and he had the punch to keep Robby honest. This is one bet I'd never touch, as neither was ever defeated in competition within the LW and WW divisions. (McFarland's only alleged defeat came very early at FW against Dusty Miller. FW was the same division where Robby's only two reported amateur losses are supposed to have occurred.) Packey reportedly got the better of Mike Gibbons, suggesting Ray might need more than a size advantage to prevail.

Kid Lewis would swarm him and never gas, but if Britton could outscore him, then Ray could do it.

Duran would be under Robby, slipping him on the way inside, then heading for the body. As tall as Ray was, he wasn't Hearns, and El Cholo ultimately did defeat a taller champion MW in Barkley.

Walker, I think, is a hard sell. A past prime Greb defeated Mickey pretty conclusively, largely on the strength of superior speed, and Robby would have likely also had a speed advantage in combination with greater height and reach. 147 was not Walker's best weight, as he wasn't yet peak. Nor was this Burley's best weight, and Fritzie Zivic was described as the harder puncher when he squared off with Charley.

Ryan, like McFarland, is not a bet I'd want to touch. Tommy was hell at the lighter weights. Ditto for the Nonpareil. There's absolutely no chance of either gassing, and neither is getting stopped if five or six ounce gloves are employed. I'd give Ryan the better shot, as he is much the deadlier puncher of the two. Dempsey would need to outbox him, while Tommy's power would force Robby to apply greater caution.

Hearns is not somebody I can buy as a candidate. He didn't withstand body punishment well, and Robby savaged the taller Dykes from the outset with a vicious inside attack based on surgically thudding rights to the ribs. Ray was an excellent infighter when faced with a taller opponent that strategy was appropriate against, and Hearns would be sucking wind well before the middle rounds arrived, much like the far tougher and more durable Dykes had to. (Bobby was only stopped twice in 151 bouts, once when Bratton caught him cold, and in the final round when Tiger Jones had to rally from a huge deficit. Hearns never rallied from behind for a late stoppage win, and Dykes wouldn't likely have been caught unprepared for a deadly starter such as Hearns. What Bratton did to Bobby was not his usual modus operandi.) At 147, Hearns was quite young, inexperienced and still maturing. When hurt, he didn't yet have the survival skills necessary to clinch and weather the storm.

 

Duran pulled some of the best moves ever in the third De Jesus fight.

 

tough question.

only person with the combination of attack/defense that would have a shot imo is Duran. but at welter its a tough tough ask

 

Charley Burley would be the best chance of stealing a victory, but I can't hel.p but agree with a former post that Ray would bat him to the punch. Ray was something else, had every gift immaginable, I don't denegrate fighters but Ray was on a divine level

 

Tommy Hearns.

 

...right-o....gavilan did not beat robinson , who let him look good for a future title shot,

at welterweight...the only thing i can see beating him would be the weigh-in scale.

 

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