Who do you believe wilder or hearn

Neither.

But Wilder less so. He has a history of posturing.

 

The biggest roadblock in making the fight is the details of the rematch clause. Wilder has brought this up often. That's the hangup.

Hearn wants the purse split to be the same in the rematch clause.

Meaning, let's say, Joshua wants 70 percent and Wilder 30 percent. And fans online scream and yell and say of course Joshua deserves that much. He's got three belts. Blah Blah Blah.

If Wilder goes ahead with the fight and wins ALL THE TITLES and STOPS JOSHUA, Hearn wants it in the contract that for the rematch the CHAMP (WILDER - holder of ALL THE BELTS) ... gets 30 percent and Joshua (the guy who got knocked out) gets 70 percent.

Wilder has said repeatedly that he'll fight Joshua for whatever Hearn offers if the deal is flipped for a rematch, and Wilder gets the larger share.

AND THE ONLY WAY there'd be a rematch would be if Wilder won, so, if he wins all the titles and already has a win over Joshua, he should get the higher share.

But all these guys fighting Joshua are willing to agree to the horrible rematch clause conditions ... because apparently they don't think they'll win the first fight anyway.

Wilder, on the other hand, BELIEVES he'll beat Joshua.

And, if he does, why should he take less if he (Wilder) has all the belts and has already beaten Joshua once?

If Hearn agrees to FLIP the deal and give Wilder the bigger share if Wilder wins the first fight, the bout is easy to make.

But Hearn can get a bunch of other guys who are willing to take the bad deal.

 

can someone tell me why they have come to the conclusion they cant trust a word that Hearn says? I mean, yeah he's a promoter, but on average, it seems he tells the truth more than he lies. But tbh I don't watch or read all of his interviews so I may have missed most of it.

 

I don't think that's what's been suggested. They've been talking about agreeing a 2 match deal, one in UK, then one in US. So when Wilder's been talking about having the percentages flipped in the second, that's not dependent on him winning the first. Hence Hearn saying that he's effectively asking for 50/50.

 

The words “believe” and “Hearn” should not even be in the same sentence.

 

Hearn seems to plan things out in advance. He's planned for Joshua to fight Miller for some time now. That was the plan going back months.

Hearn also seems like he promised Whyte a title shot, but not necessarily with Joshua. It seemed like he figured he could maneuver Whyte into a title shot with Wilder and then goad Wilder into taking it.

But Wilder wants Joshua and Hearn doesn't control Wilder. And all the goading and insults didn't work with Wilder.

So I think Hearn still plans to stage Joshua-Miller, like he intended to all along.

Wilder, meanwhile, does want Joshua. And Joshua, I feel, does want Wilder.

But that WASN'T Hearn's plan. And Hearn doesn't seem to be too quick on his feet. He seems like he just comes up with these well-thought-out plans that, when they come off, work great. But if there's a hiccup in there, he sort of flounders and starts insulting everyone.

The best fight to make right now would be Joshua-Wilder.

But that doesn't appear to have been Hearn's plan. So I don't know if he is as quick on his feet as people think.

So, instead, he'll push it off by insisting on the same split in the rematch clause favoring Joshua and just match Joshua with Miller (assuming Miller wins his next fight).

But I don't think Joshua really wants Miller.

The guy who Hearn seems to be having trouble with the most now is Whyte. I think Hearn promised Whyte a title shot if Whyte would fight this guy (Chisora) and that guy (Browne) ... and now Hearn doesn't have a title fight for Whyte ...

So now it looks like Hearn is trying to clumsily get Whyte to fight Povetkin so the winner of Whyte-Povetkin gets Joshua. But that's Hearn kind of stumbling around because Wilder didn't go along with his grand plan.

Instead of laying out long term plans, it would be better right now if Hearn just gave the public what they want and made the best fight he could - Joshua-Wilder - instead of trying to stick with a crumbling plan that nobody but Hearn seems to want.

 

Hearn wants to make the most money as possible.
Anthony Joshua wants to make the most money as possible.
Deontay Wilder Wants to make the most money as possible.
Shelly Finkel has been useless since he played one of the extras at the end of Close Encounters.

And that's it. They all want the fight. I definitely believe that. They're just arguing over the slice of the pie.

 

It most definitely is based on Wilder winning the first fight.

Wilder doesn't have immediate rematch clauses in his deal. JOSHUA DOES. Joshua/Hearn demand the option for an immediate rematch if Joshua loses.

If Joshua wins, there's no rematch clause for the opponent.

Parker can't demand an immediate rematch today, but if Joshua had lost to Parker then Joshua and Hearn would've demanded one and got one because that was part of the deal.

Why would Joshua have an immediate rematch if Wilder if he knocked out Wilder? He doesn't give anyone an immediate rematch.

It would be on to Tyson Fury and Haye (if he wins) and Povetkin.

Wilder says he wants the deal flipped in his favor for a rematch. The only way Wilder gets a rematch is if he beats Joshua and takes all the belts in the first fight.

And, if he does that, he DESERVES the majority share. Not the guy who has no titles and just lost.

 

fully appreciate the length you went to with your post, but i meant how people will say you cannot believe a word that comes out of his mouth, not what his plans are, coz if they were his plans, and he tries to carry them out, they cant be lies. unless you mean people think hes a liar because his plans go awry?

 

I don't have the links to hand but you can find both camps talking about a multi fight deal, not rematch clause but an agreed 2 fight schedule. There's threads on here about it also.

 

I think they both want it - for Wilder it is way more money than he will get elsewhere, and one slip up in the meantime means he sees millions go up in smoke. He wants it ASAP for those reasons.

For Joshua, I think he wants it for all the belts and he legitimately thinks he can beat Wilder easier than someone like Parker - plus it is more appealing to do it now rather than get bogged down in potentially unglamorous/unmotivating mando fights.

From Hearns perspective, it really doesn’t matter than much. He can look to do the Miller fight for big money and improvement in profile, and then see where Fury is at after his comeback in July (?), which would be an easier negotiation and arguably bigger fight. Or he can do the Whyte rematch via the IBF route, Or try and enforce Whyte vs Wilder, or see where Haye is at after the Bellew fight and do that after Miller etc etc etc.

There are so many options for Hearn that he can play it whichever way he likes, whilst using the Miller fight as a placeholder. Fury, Haye, Whyte are all serious possibilities for huge domestic fights after the Miller fight, should Wilder not happen in summer. Not to mention the fact that Joshua is the commercial draw with 3 of the 4 belts. So I see why he is in no rush to be dictated to.

They are painting Wilder into a corner. Which makes it seem to the fans like wilder is the one who really wants the fight cos he is forced to chase.

 

i believe wilder, but i hope AJ freezes him out. its like me and women, just talking too much nonsensical stuff and acting desperate and then they leave and never come back

 

I think the three mandatories are going to paint Joshua and Hearn into a corner sooner rather than later.

People think Joshua can fight whoever he wants because he's been allowed to up to this point. But he has three belts with three mandatories on the horizon.

If Joshua doesn't fight Wilder next, his entire 2019 will likely be made up of mandatories.

That doesn't leave a lot of room for all these "options" he's supposedly got.

 

Hearn.