Who do you have higher on your p4p list, Wlad or Ward?

Wlad, just. But I expect Ward to surpass him in his next two fights.

 

Exactly WHO has Wlad beaten in those 20 title fights?

 

How is Wlad a "dominant fighter" for "a decade and a half" when he's been KTFO'ed THREE times during that time frame?

Exactly how does that work?

 

I got Ward at 6-7 and Wladdy at around 5.

 

The case against Ward would be that Wladimir has so many more fights. Ward essentially only has 6 fights at the world level, however they are all very impressive. The following list is my opinion, but it is Wards' six best victories in order with all of Wladimir's fights which are better than Wards' win over Edison Miranda/Allan Green slotted in the appropriate place. This is at glance, don't hold me to it in another 6 months or anything...

Ward - Kessler
Ward - Froch
Klitschko - Byrd I
Klitschko - Chagaev
Klitschko - Haye
Klitschko - Byrd II
Ward - Abraham
Klitschko - Chambers
Ward - Bika
Klitschko - Ibragimov
Klitschko - Brewster II
Ward - Green
Klitschko - Brock
Ward - Miranda

I have Ward #5 and Wladimir #7 in my P4P.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=373863

 

Bull**** in the bold.


Keith

 

Ward easy.

Has not been ko'd by three journeymen.

Keith

 

Ward an is not close. He has a lot more talent in his division an better resume in the last couple of years. A good p4p list is based on resume. Everything else is too subjective. You like Rigo and you think he is p4p 1 ok good for you but he has done **** to prove it so he is outside of the top 10

 

Keith Wlad has been KOed more than 5 years ago so it doesn't count for the p4p standing at the moment. Ward is better but for other reasons.

 

In a weaker era and weightclass. Ward has better ability and skills pound 4 pound. In the truest sense of the word Ward is the superior fighter on a pound for pound basis. Plenty of people can't handle that and prefer to give it to fighters who are more accomplished or those who have achieved more because it feels less arbitrary and subjective to give credit where credits due, although that's not exactly what P4P is about. Of course you have to prove something. You can't rank journeyman on subjective grounds of seeing star potential. This is an extreme example, obviously. Ward has blossomed and proven his ability. To rate a super-heavyweight dominating in a deprived HW era over the best SMW in one of the better weight-classes distorts the point and meaning of P4P. One guy has a constant size & weight advantage in a weak era. The other just won the SMW tournament, and is arguably the most versatile fighter in the world right now. Anyone who thinks Wlad is the actual better fighter can't properly evaluate talent and ability then.

 

:rofl:rofl:rofl Ward is result of the finest Irish sperm !!!

 

Because he came back from those defeats with victories over high ranking fighters and fought for and won championship fights. The great Joe Louis in his prime and considered unbeatable got K'oed by over the hill Max Schmelling. Does that defeat mean he was suddenly not a dominant heavyweight fighter at the time. At worst he would be still considered top 5.
Your logic and ability to measure a fighter is flawed. Few fighters win every fight in their career. It is usually a growth experience where one learns from one's mistakes and improves as Wlad has done in remarkable fashion. He has been undefeated for what 7 years now.

 

Vlad by far. SOB Ward refused to allow the best 168 lb. fighter in the world to fight in his tournament, also refused to fight in his tournament unless had never had to travel, which he did not! Now he still refuses to fight Bute and he never will. Ward is demanding that Bute fight everyone in the division except himself! Ward is a coward!

Let Vlad fight Ward ASAP, then we will see who is the better fighter!!!!!!!

Vlad by knockout!!!!!!!

 

Ward's simply a more skilled and diversified fighter and unlike Klitschko, he doesn't have the benefit of having huge size advantages.

 

Max Schmeling is a better HW than Wladimir Klitschko is, Pound-for-Pound and Era-for-Era. So don't even try to think about that being a relevant counter-statement.

Corrie Sanders, though I think underrated, is equal to the semi-retired Paulino Uzcudun that Joe Louis beat on. Neither Klitschko has a victory near the caliber of what Schmeling I would have been for Louis. Instead, he went and redeemed the loss by picking up a win which DWARFS any three of the Klitschkos' wins combined.