Who do you have higher on your p4p list, Wlad or Ward?

Real boxing fans? lol.

'Real' boxing fans know that P4P there are only a handful of active fighters that would be dominant if size were not an issue. Mayweather, Hopkins and Ward are the only real complete fundamental boxers out there.

 

Ward is one of the most all around skilled boxers in the game and it's Ok if you rank him higher than Wlad ,but don't pretend you're not racist and have no bias against white fighters. You're biased!

 

Complete BS.

If Ward fought a string of Welters or Light Middles, fights in which he'd enjoy a similar size advantage that Wlad currently enjoys, he'd be MORE dominant than Wlad is [alleged to be].

 

I have Wlad at 6, Ward at 7.

 

If only there was a like button on this site

P4P originally was the concept of if all men were equal physically, who would prevail? It would boil down to skill and the intangible assets like heart, chin etc. I like Wlad, but if people could reach his chin, he's have a lot more KO losses and would have to re-invent himself, as his style of boxing is built on his size. Without that size he'd not be dominating the division, it's that simple... how is it that people cannot understand this? I like the Klits, but to rank them P4P is insane, there's hardly any decent fundamental boxers out there, I'd struggle to have 5 in a P4P list lol.

 

BS.

I'm a fan of the sport of boxing and have no bias against any fighter based on race. My bias is against fraudulent media-hype created fighters. It just so happens that the Klitschkos fall into that category.

I've trashed plenty of non-White fighters in this forum, like Andre Berto and Oscar de la Hoya.

I've ALWAYS been a fan of Kelly Pavlik and I cheered for him OVER Jermain Taylor - who I felt was a FRAUD, a creation of HBO, and deserved to LOSE to Hopkins in the first fight.

Please remove your head from your ass...

 

Byrd has valid wins at HW. Tua, Holyfield, Vitali.

Do you believe CW was a more natural weight for Haye than HW? He always looked like his eyes where about to pop out of his skull and his chin was poor.

 

Please explain how the Klitschkos are media hype train fighters when they have dominated the HW division with ease the better half of the decade. If thats nots real results, or a real champion, than pray tell what is?

 

Damn you, Cesare:verysad

 

I cant believe you can seriously call the Klitschko frauds when there is NO DOUBT that that are head and shoulders above any hw in the world. this has been proven over and over again over long periods of time

baffling

 

In that case lets just write off the accomplishments of all big HW. Every opponent they fight who weights less should be erased from their resume. Wlad, Lewis and Foreman are now without legit wins. They are all surpassed by Adamek who defeated McBride.

 

Agreed. It really is difficult to rate a fighter who so heavily depends on his physical advantages on a pound for pound basis.

I think Ward is the better overall fighter. He moves in the pocket well and can fight both inside and out. Wlad is an outside only fighter whose only inside move is to clinch.

 

Look P4p could you imagine Wlad shrunk and being 6' and fighting the way he does? Or Vitali with his hands down around his waist and simply moving his head back to avoid punches fighting elite level fighters?

If Vitali was a welterweight he'd have about ten losses.

 

Not really you think Mayweather could move like he does if he was 6'8?

 

Wlad. If P4P means who is more dominant in their division and over a longer time then it's has to be Wlad.