Who do you have higher on your p4p list, Wlad or Ward?

Beating a slow mo froch and a one eyed kessler dont make you p4p.

 

I rate Lewis, Tyson and Foreman ahead of both Klitschkos.

 

Exactly WHO has Wlad ever beaten?

 

His best win is froch, he cheated against Kessler. He should have been dq'd.

 

SO DO I , but that doesn't mean Klitschko's are Frauds and since you love talking about overrated and overhyped fighters ,how come you rank Tyson so highly and no matter how mediocre his resume is ?

 

Yeah, I agree it's not solely size. But Ward has more well-rounded and skilled. Wlad's a great puncher and great at managing distance so he's capable of dominating opposition (Especially over-matched opposition, or opposition that doesn't have the skills, style, or fortitude to even know how to beat him). I don't think you can assess just performance. You have to look at the entire picture. Not just what he does, but how, and against who. Just my take.

 

This sort of highlights why P4P is lame and stupid.

 

If we were talking in terms of ATG I would put more weight on achievements but in that discussion he would come up short as well.

 

Are you trolling? Haye has never ever in his career been close to being a top 10 P4P boxer. Some had him barely in their top 30 when he was the top dog at CW.

Kessler and Froch are clearly better P4P, it's really not up for debate.

 

it is no lamer than mythical match-ups!

I really get a kick out of them because most people you transport a fighter from the fifties and put in there today against a current fighter. I like to think how would the current fighter do under the conditions of the past? Most fighters had to work a full time job to survive and boxing was gravy. They also had other social economic pressures to deal with not to mention a grueling schedule. Most fighters to day would ***** out back then with their tails between their legs.

I am not saying all fighters of the past were better but fans really should think before opening up their big mouths

 

You know what, you're right. Both are oversimplified means of reducing an essence of something. It's kind of impossible and wrong to try to do. I get why boxing fans try to do so. Why I do... it's natural. You're also right with older fighters. You can't have it both ways. Part of what made your favorite past fighters great where the condition. You can't expect to extrapolate that same man from the past and pretend he would function in the same way. Heck, he might end up just going to college instead.

 

56-3 and those 3 losses wouldn't even happen to the Wladimir
of today. That's total domination.

 

wlad would knock out ward with 1 jab

 

Wlad > Tutanchamun

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From 86-90 Tyson was #1 or #2 on most P4P lists. That's why I rate him so highly.

Mike shits all over the Klitschkos...