Who do you lads have ranked higher ATG? Hopkins or Mayweather

People listen to Mayweather's delusional diatribe, look at his abilities and ascribe greatness on that basis. He's a great fighter, but not an ATG - I'll only consider him that if he fights some guys that actually have some advantages against him or something to balance the match out - Cotto, Mosley, Pacquaio perhaps. Maybe a Paul Williams - someone that makes him answer some questions.

 

3/13

Trinidad was a blown up Welter :good

What advantages would Cotto/Mosely/Pacquiao hold over Mayweather. Not arguing with you i'd just like to see because I see Floyd as holding advantages over everyone barring Williams who's now at Middle ???

 

WAS A WORLD CHAMPION IN HIS FIRST YEAR AS A PRO,HAS BEEN EVER SINCE,WHEN HE SMASHES PACMAN HE STILL WONT GET CREDIT BECAUSE HES SMALLER THAN MARQUEZ THATS HOW HE,L PROBABLY FIGHT MOSLEY 1ST,PS..HENRY COOPER GAVE ALI HEAT BUT GOT WHIPPED IN THE END UP:happy:happy:happy

 

Honestly can't beleive people are picking Hopkins here ?

He got beat by Calzaghe FFS

 

Negative.

Arguably losing on points (Castillo) is a lot different to getting put on your ass. If your going to use Ali as an example in this situation then pick Norton III :good

 

If Floyd beats Mosley you can bet it will just be discredited like the win over Oscar. Mosley was done etc... he looked terrible in the fight before Margo.

The winner of Cotto v Pac looks like the best fight to me.

As far as fighting smaller men goes, they can both be accused of such, with Hopkins only ever fighting two men out of his career weight and losing to one of them. Dawson destroyed the older version of Tarver too, twice.

 

Mayweather. Hopkins is overated in my view. Handled pretty comfortably by RJJ, Taylor loss x2, calzaghe beat him and we are left with those big name catchweight wins vs smaller fighters......

 

What is actually happening with B-Hop? Is he going to keep fighting on?

 

Cotto - stronger, physically bigger (though i think he's an inch shorter) excellent timing against speed fighters

Mosley - as fast as Mayweather when punching, works constantly, better chin, much much stronger than Floyd - he'd wear down Floyd whenever the pretty boy tried to grapple

Pacquaio - much more explosive as a fighter, something Floyd's not really had to deal with

Floyd has advantages over tham of course, in general speed, footwork and defensive ability, but many just say he's unbeatable rather than looking at who he's fighting.

I think Mosley beats him because Floyd wouldn't be able to put a dent in him and hold him off. Eventually that body attack starts to get through.

i think Cotto could beat him, but would expect a close fight with Floyd winning on a boring decision, running for the last four rounds.

Pacquaio wins, I think. Fast, strong and explosive enough that Floyd won't be able to predict his attacks so easily.

Anyway, Trinidad had been fighting effectively at 154 and looked effective at MW - so i don't buy the "blown up welter" - certainly Floyd was fighting a blown up LWW in Hatton who had already been shown up as limited and vulnerable at the weight.

 

I read recently that Teddy Atlas believes that Cotto is shot and that's why he failed to last the pace againt Clottey and had to change his tactics for the last 3 rounds.

I can see where he's coming from because the Margarito fight must have taken a lot out of him.

But does anyone else believe that Cotto is shot?

 

:nut

 

Ok he had big fights but not against opponents that had a chance of beating him plus he lost to Calzaghe.

 

Atlas is good at providing colour commentary, but his opinion on fights and fighters is completely off a lot of the time. A shot fighter wouldn't have survived against Clottey, much less adapted and won. Cotto was fighting a much bigger man with a horrible injury, so changed tactics and won the fight. That's not shot - he was getting his punches off, defending himself and his reflexes were still there.

This, incidentally, is the same Atlas who has picked against Pacquaio in his last two fights, including against Hatton when it was obvious to any balanced viewer he was going to get thrashed.

 

mayweather is probably the greatest defensive fighter of all time.