Who do you lads have ranked higher ATG? Hopkins or Mayweather

Tarver was the legitimate Light-Heavyweight Champion. Pavlik was the legitimate Middleweight Champion and P4P elite. Not only did an aged Hopkins beat them, he took them to school in the most embarrassingly one-sided way possible.

Trinidad was an established, proven Middleweight title holder. Winky Wright's style was NOT built on size and weight advantages (and neither was Hopkins'). DLH was a good win nothing more than that...

So, to summarize; Hopkins' only losses were highly disputed and close decisions against P4P elite, either when he was green or old. He has a resume which includes dominant wins over champions and title holders like Wright, Johnson, Joppy, Holmes and Aquino. As well as contenders like Daniels, Echols and Eastman.

He made 20 succesful defenses of his middleweight title, became the first undisputed middleweight king since Hagler by destroying an undefeated Tito Trinidad (the betting favourite), defended that championship six times, stepped up to Light-Heavy to school the champion Tarver, then at age 43, he utterly dominated the undefeated middleweight king Kelly Pavlik - again the hot favourite.....

Hopkins has proved his greatness many MANY times over. :roll:

 

I think it is foolish to rank X above Floyd. Floyd has never lost and gone through 5 weight classes. X has longevity but a solid peak beats that, BUT it's not impossible that Floyd also has longevity.

 

Very good thread, it's close and I can't make a decision on it. Sure Floyd has gone through the weight classes but he's never unified a division and hasn't cleaned a division out since 130. What Floyd does now, at 147, will decide just how high he ranks. Wins over Mosley, Pac and perhaps a Williams or Cotto will see him eclipse Hopkins.

 

Would Floyd have been able to neogiate his way through 5 weight divisions if same-day weigh-ins had been in place?

 

For me, its Hopkins at the moment. Probably FMJ somewhere down the line though.

 

Better than Whitaker?

 

Better than Pep? :shock:

 

Absolutely. He is one of the few fighters in the modern era who could. Floyd lost 6 pounds for Chavez and felt weight drained and left the division. Floyd lost $600k rather than 2 pounds on the day of the fight. That is how serious he is about not draining himself. Floyd's weight is Floyd's weight. This is what history has shown at least.

 

I never saw Pep, bar a couple of grainy old clips, so I think it's unfair to judge on that criteria. But I have a lot of Whitaker's fights and he's miles ahead of Floyd. he's another WW I'd have picked to beat Floydo.

 

ThreeThirteen all the good work you did explaining advantages they had over Floyd went completely out of the window when you tried to claim that all 3 of Pac, Mosely and Cotto would beat Floyd :-(

 

Mayweather is a frustration more than an ATG...

Hall of fame lightweight and not much else as it stands. His career 135+ is an illusion

 

Indeed he has some people refuse to recognise though, God only knows why, his record stands out over almost all the elite active fighters today. Hes an ATG for sure.

 

Mayweather.

5 weight champ, never came up against a style he couldnt best & is plain & simply a better boxer than Hopkins.

 

Mayweather slightly.

 

You misread - I said I think Mosley would, and that while Cotto could, i see him losing a decision. I believe Pac has an excellent chance because of his explosiveness. It's more ridiculous to say, on the evidence of beating a fat, slow, old Marquez, that Floyd is somehow invincible.