Who do you rank higher: Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe

1) Those wins are equal quality. Do a poll on this forum if you want to see which one is the better scalp. Prime Kessler might not have been a knock-out artist but he was dominate in the SMW division, just as Kovalev was dominant at LHW.
2) Prime Reid is a better boxer than Carl Froch. The faded version was hurting Froch, did you see him almost cry with those bodyshots?
3) Because Reid was a better boxer than Carl Froch. That's why it was close. That Robin Reid would have took Ward further than Froch did. He hit harder than Froch, Had some excellent bodyshots and had a decent jab. All things Froch lack.

 

For me calzaghe prime Vs prime calzaghe would of won on points. People forget Joe before his injury was a devastating puncher (from his school boy years) and he had one of the best chins in the business. For me calzaghe was slightly better prime Vs prime

 

how many wins over kovalev would you count as legit? 3? 4? 27?

 

you;ve not actually given a reason other than a vague "its boxing". why?

fortunately joe calzaghe provides the reason for you by telling you in his biography that you are wrong and roy was shot. But by all means continue to contradict the guy you are trying to defend,.

 

It's close my concern is Joe hardly fought HOF and above type fighters in their prime but I wouldn't argue profusely if anyone rated JC higher. Personally I have Ward slightly ahead.....as for the IQ comment are you that far above 85? Is the standard IQ test even a suitable tool for measuring intelligence on a board spectrum?

 

JohnnyDrama99,

Of course it's a contradiction.

How can it not be?

By your own admission: Roy was a shell of his former self, he'd lost his reflexes, and he couldn't pull the trigger anymore.

That's what you wrote. But then you're basically saying: "But despite that, it was still Roy Jones"

In 2008, Roy was no longer a top level fighter like what Floyd was.

It can't be considered a top win.

Again, Joe himself said that in his opinion Roy had been shot since 2004.

So Joe didn't beat the great Roy Jones who's an ATG, he beat the 40 year old version who'd recently decisioned a 172 pound Tito Trinidad who hadn't fought for 3 years.

The difference between Roy and Floyd, is that the Floyd of today is still a top 10 WW.

Bernard lost twice to a prime Taylor in 2 close fights.

Roy was detroyed by Glen Johnson.

Again, Roy's last top level win was against Tarver in 2003. After that, the only wins he could gain, were against B and C class opposition.

Let's get it right, Joe was a scavenger.

He wouldn't go up to LHW when Roy ruled, but fought him after he'd said he was shot.

No, Joe wasn't young either, but he was still a top level fighter, coming off of 2 of his best wins.

A year after his fight with Joe, Roy was taken out in a round by Danny Green.

 

Big Calzaghe fan, not a massive Ward guy, but it's SOG all day.

 

Both Kessler and Kovalev were/are great fighters.

Again, the difference is:

Andre moved up to beat Kovalev at LHW and stopped him.

Joe beat Kessler at SMW on a decision.

How are they equal?

They can't be.


Please tell me how Robin Reid was a better fighter than Carl Froch?

He wasn't.

Again, Joe scraped a win over Reid, who then immediately lost to Branco.

Andre easily beat Carl with a fractured hand, who immediately went and destroyed Bute.

How can they be equal wins?

They can't be.

 

You've got my attention.

 

Saying that he was a devastating puncher is a stretch.

 

Kovalev is a far bigger win for ward than Kessler... even if it is slightly sketchy.

 

People can say that Joe-Kessler was a big unification fight, but Andre moved up to LHW and broke Kovalev down.

I don't see how they're equal. And there's no way Froch and Reid were of equal value.

 

There's no need to defend Joe. His legacy and ring accomplishments stand on its own merit. I'm just giving you insights to help your perspective on the topic. There's nothing vague about boxing. You either understand it or you don't. Roy wasn't the Superman Roy we saw from the beginning of his career to his heavyweight championship fight with Ruiz. I'm not mincing my words....that's a fact, but he faced Joe at a stage where he was still operating at a professional level, capable of winning against world class fighters. Maybe not capable of beating the elite or top of the division, but anytime you step inside the ring with a boxer with Jones Jr's pedigree there's always a risk. Again....Joe's legacy is better with the win over Roy Jones Jr than without it.