Who do you rank higher: Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe

Yes, Andre shouldn't have targeted him. I agree with you. I can understand the criticism. But he gets a pass from me because he's just fought Kovalev twice. But go and look at some of those WBO guys who Joe fought on a regular basis.

 

I have and do know but are they any weaker than Greene, Rodriguez, Brand, Pudwill, Miranda, Smith?

 

So that's a "no" in regards to giving Andre credit for fighting a prime Kovalev at a higher weight?

Are "cuffing" punches, within the rules of boxing?

I've never labelled Joe as a coward. But you have no issue with him defending a lightly regarded belt for 10 years in a weak division, whilst you won't give Andre any credit for challenging a very dangerous prime LHW.

 

Are you really this stupid?? Lol Ward getting credit for ‘fighting’ Kovalev while demanding all judges be from his Country (He flat out demanded that) and in his pocket WITH the ref?? And demanding the fight be on his home soil like 99% of ALL his other career fights?? While ‘fighting’ the way he did??? Holding, headbutts, low blows etc. Do idiots like you really think that deserves credit???


Find another sport to watch. No joke.

 

Again: Context.


He fought Rodriguez as a tune up, after a year of inactivity.

He fought Green as part of the Super Six.

He fought Brand as tune up, before going on to fight Kovalev twice.


Joe regularly fought guys of that calibre whilst in his prime, before he'd had career defining fights, and even when he was in his 30's.

Andre fought those types of guys and used them as stepping stones.

Joe was happy to fight anyone, just so he could rack up defences of his lightly regarded WBO belt.

Andre was more ambitious.

 

Joe fought and beat 11 current, former or future world champions.

Who was he using them as stepping stones for?

Froch, Abraham?....Calzaghe fought the low calibre of fighters in between fight against Eubank, Woodhall, Mitchell, Reid.

The only difference is Calzaghe had a longer career as champion.

He fought Smith, then Barrerra, then Brand prior to Kovalev.

 

Take your own advice.

Nobody made him move up and fight Kovalev.

There were hardly any low blows in the rematch. I've seen all of the videos, all of the stills, all of them from different angles, and I've watched the fight numerous times.

Kovalev is a bully. He tried to psyche Andre out, and it didn't work. You posted videos on here of where Andre was supposedly shook beforehand, and Kovalev said he hit like a girl and he was going to get crushed. Yet what we saw, was how Andre broke him down, both mentally and physically. There were times in the fight where Kovalev was looking to Weeks for help, even though the blows were 100% clean. During the last barrage, he had nothing left to give. He was spent. Completely exhausted. There was nothing coming back after the big right hand, and even if the last shot was a little low, the others hadn't been and the damage had already been done at that point. It was a shame how the fight ended, but Weeks had seen enough at that point. If that last shot had been higher, it wouldn't have made any difference. Kovalev himself didn't even object at the time of the stoppage. Now if you were to go back and look at those shots objectively, you'd see that most of those shots hit the red "Krusher" logo, which was above the "Hublot" one. They weren't low. Also, Kovalev landed repeated rabbit punches which conveniently get ignored.

If you don't want to give Andre credit, that's on you. I think it's a shame you feel that way.

At the age Andre was signing to fight Kovalev, Joe was signing to fight Mger Mkrtchyan.

 

This is all thats needed nothing could more emphatically spell out the difference.

 

This shows how lost you are in this debate and should stick to just the last few years that you have been watching

 

Hey moron... you continue to be a Ward fanboy while I continue to NOT be, while looking at who the POS is and what concessions had to be made on his behalf before pretty much EVERY one of his major fights. Continue to sidestep the pointing out of all the cheating and corruption Ward brought because I’d expect nothing less from you But you’re not going to somehow brainwash people into thinking Ward is better and has a better legacy. The guy is a scumbag for reasons already stated a million times and not only by me. Cool? Great.

Calzaghe > Ward once again in yet another poll. There’s a reason for that. And no it’s not because you 30% know more about boxing or are smarter. It’s the opposite

 

What are you going on about?
Where have I dismissed Wards wins over Kessler and Froch? But if you rate those wins then you would also rate beating prime Kessler as greater as well as beating Eubank and Lacy, as well as Reid etc.
Consider Sheika beat prime G Johnson to get a shot at Calzaghe, whereas faded boiled down G Johnson years later gave Froch a tough debatable fight, just before Froch gave Ward a tough fight and Calzaghe just walked through Sheika
Thats no joke

 

u r doing it again, not mentioning sheika johnson was debateable, and not ever once mentioning joes fake stoppage against sheika when he was once again in trouble.

 

Calzaghe had sick handspeed.

 

It was a quality win based on how Joe performed and dominated coupled with the fact that having a win over Roy Jones on his resume absolutely is better than not having him on there at all.

Of course Jones wasn't the prime super man who dominated for a decade or more having won the heavyweight title at the peak of his career, but he was still winning fights and still showed glimpses of greatness. If Jones was completely shot he wouldn't have been winning at all. He wouldn't have had any success but that was not the case. Albeit, his wins came against B level opposition but he proved he still had something left to offer the sport and continued his pro career after his loss to Joe winning and losing along the way.

I don't think Roy perceived Joe as a cherry pick at all. I think it was a choice to go after the best opponent possible for him to prove he was still capable of beating a top fighter on the downside of his career.

For Joe is was a quality win and noteworthy for his career and legacy. It's not his most important win...it didn't make or break his legacy, but it added to his already great career. There are a lot of instances of faded legends fighting younger lions towards the end of their careers. It's something that has always happened in this sport so it shouldn't be discredited or dismissed for Joe.

 

This obsession with Calzaghe.
You have given Ward a pass for tune ups, so tell me who all these fighters were that Calzaghe fought of "that calibre" and the situations around them.
Cant wait for this failed answer