Who do you rank higher: Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe

Based on what exactly? Froch's resume wasn't better than Joe's and neither was Ward's. Joe has 3 ATG's on his ledger in the win column. Bhop, Jones and Eubanks. Froch only has one hall of fame boxer on his resume that he lost against, Ward. And Andre only has Kovalev who is most likely hall of fame bound whom he beat twice. Kessler was already beaten by Joe whom Andre beat in the super six, years later. That was the only other really good win on Wards resume....Well, Chad Dawson as well. A very good win, but still falls short of Joe's resume. Neither Froch or Ward have as deep a resume with the kind of substance that Calzaghe's resume has.

 

The poll should be Ward or Markus Beyer

 

B-Hop was a good win.

Jones was shot to pieces. Even Joe admitted in his book that Roy was a huge problem for him in his prime.

Eubank was finished. He was on the downslide of his career.

Ward done a better job on Kessler than Joe did (Kessler gave Joe all he could handle)
Ward outclassed Joe's No.1 domestic rival (Froch)
Beat better comp at LHW in Kovalev (twice)
Beat the best SMW's of his era

Joe shouldn't have got the nod against Robin Reid, for crying out loud.

I think Froch's achievements are better than Joe's @ SMW.

 

BHop was a great win. Jones Jr was a feather in his cap, but a good win based on his dominant performance. Eubanks was also a very good win. A passing of the torch kind of fight.

Ward faced an older and past his prime Kessler who had shoulder issues before the super six. Still, a good win for Ward but a better win for Joe.

Joe also beat the best SMW's of his era. Ward could have lost to Kovalev in the first fight, it was very close, but it was without question his best win that put a stamp on his hall of fame career.

There is more longevity, consistency and depth behind Joe's legacy. Ward still has a great legacy himself but if we are comparing resumes....Joe is ahead by a decent margin.

Froch shouldn't have even been brought up. He lost to Kessler and only has Groves and Taylor to pad his resume. We can throw in Pascal and Glenn Johnson but he barely beat the old dog in Glenn and Jean is really only a decent win

 

This. If Ward unified with Stevenson and became undisputed and got in a few defenses I would give him the edge over Joe. However, beating Kovalev alone at 175 isn't enough.

 

Did Ward accomplish more though?

 

That Kessler gives Ward hell as well.

 

I have analyzed everything you said about the two.

Thing is... you have absolutely no solid evidence that proves it would be a competitive matchup. MOST are of the opinion that Joe beats Ward including me. I actually think Joe schools him at his best. Why? Joe at his best was unlike ANYTHING Ward faced while Joe, at age 36 and already past his best, beat a similar fighter to Ward in Hopkins. Oh and he did so out of his home country right smack dab in that **** hole Vegas.

We've been over this dude. Take your opinion (Keyword! OPINION) and just run with it. Your opinion isn't fact in this hypothetical matchup. And it's no more "LOGICAL" than my opinion or the vast majority that think Joe was better than Ward and MUCH, MUCH less of a sleazbag who had to resort to fouls and dirty tactics

 

Totally agree. I'm not saying one man is better than the other. I'm strictly talking about the strength of their resumes. Who they beat, how they beat them and the quality of their opposition. Joe simply has accomplished more than Ward.

 

Well this is sort of the criticism that people have against Lewis, and it doesn't stop people from considering him great. Lewis beat OLD Holyfield, SHOT Tyson, REHAB McCall etc ...

So yeah, while I admit that it's not a prime Jones he beat ... it's still RJJ and he wasn't finished just yet. And so forth.

 

Poll is wide for Super Joe!

 

woahwat? Froch fought a murderers row. Joe fought lacy, kessler and...um

ah roy jones and hopkins...2 40somethings. u go girl, I bet you could beat Jake Lamotta too. froch and ward would be downright ashamed to have 2 40somethings on their resume and thats why they dont have them.
Who on earth is the mysterious 3rd ATG, becasue eubanks isnt one.
And the reason you didnt mention anyone else on joes resume is because its almost entirely a club of clowns and fake stoppages.

froch sure as hell didnt select any fortysomething title bouts true.

why you saying ward ONLY has kovalev...and then proceeding to list a string of boxers after him?

 

Absolutely. The Super Six is a greater accomplishment than Joe's wins at SMW (if we're being kind to Joe, equal), and Ward's wins over Kovalev at LHW, while controversial, are definitely more impressive than beating up a shot Jones and using volume to barely outhustle an aging Hopkins much like Taylor and Dawson did.

 

Joe left SMW because he realised he couldnt get away with C grade Wassen defences anymore. For the first time in his career there was a queue of very good fighters to face. Losing his undefeated record was on the cards.

Ward left because there was noone left and he wanted a bigger challenge.

 

Relax princess....Don't get your panties all in a knot over this. It's not that serious. Froch fought some good opponents. Murders row is a bit of a stretch. Ward without a doubt is his best opponent whom he lost comprehensively to. Kessler was a good win, probably his 2nd best opponent whom he actually beat...Groves, Bute, Johnson, Abraham, Pacal and Taylor wouldn't be considered "murderers row" in any lifetime or warp dimension.

You are half right....Bhop was over 40, but he was still an elite level fighter which he proved by what he was able to do in his career after Joe beat him. Jones wasn't prime but he was "40 something" either. He was 39 when they fought. Joe dominated so he did what he was supposed to do. I'm sure I could beat Jake, cupcake. He's dead so it's not going to be much of a scrap.

Froch did have 40'somethings on his resume...Glenn Johnson was 42 when he barely beat the old dog in a majority decision. He also faced Albert Rybacki who was 39 pushing 40. Ward on the other had didn't face older guys....just less experienced and no one really noteworthy outside of Kovalev, Dawson and Froch. The mysterious ATG on Joe's resume is the great Chris Eubanks.