Who do you rank higher as an ATG: Azumah Nelson or Floyd Mayweather Jr?

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  1. horst

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    Corrales was good, no better. Castillo was better, but Floyd's performances against him were not impressive. Hatton was not good at welterweight, and Oscar was years and years past his peak.

    :huh Floyd hasn't beaten one prime HOF-calibre fighter in his entire career.

    Which is a good achievement, but nothing spectacular in this day and age. De La Hoya won titles in 6 weights. Iran Barkley won titles in 3!

    No it isn't. It's decent, no better.

    You can call him a cherrypicker, because he has been cherrypicking opponents since Jose Luis Castillo showed Floyd that he could be beaten back in 2002.
     
  2. Moe Greene

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    Nate Campbell, a bad matchup for PAC?! :huh
     
  3. SouthpawJab

    SouthpawJab On his way up!! 4-0!! Full Member

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    Any fighter with movement and angles gave Pac trouble at 130-135
     
  4. horst

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    :lol::lol::lol: Yes, in decades to come boxing historians will wring their hands, look to the skies, and scream "how can Pacquiao have decimated his own legacy by ducking those two ATG megastars, Robbie Peden's ***** Nate Campbell and Ali Funeka's ***** Joan Guzman!!!!"

    This is like criticizing Ray Leonard for not fighting Iran Barkley or something. Pacquiao beat many better fighters than an ancient mediocrity like Campbell or a fat cheating underachiever like Guzman, so I really don't think that spending his brief time in their weight class fighting neither of these two fan-less "legends" is a black mark against him at all.
     
  5. SouthpawJab

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    Neither has Pac or Hopkins.
     
  6. SouthpawJab

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    So Floyd gets a free pass for not fighting Margarito or Cotto...right? Neither of those guys are close to ATG status and Cotto just might barely be a HoF
     
  7. horst

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    :lol: I know. This would have been the slaughter of the decade had it happened. Manny Pacquiao vs Robbie Peden's Leftovers. There's a fight that would've broke ppv records for sure.

    I think Paulie Malignaggi would've been a bad match-up for Roberto Duran as well. :rofl
     
  8. horst

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    :lol: Are you drunk?

    Pacquiao beat prime Barrera (2003) and prime Marquez (4 yrs after their 1st fight) and both will be in the HOF.

    Hopkins beat prime Trinidad (2001), and he will be in the HOF.

    Next.
     
  9. SouthpawJab

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    Just Margarito and Cotto would be thoroughly outboxed.



    For the record, I think Pac beats both guys, but not as impressively as the punching bags he usually fights.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    Guzman was a beast from 122-130 and the fight should have happened at those weights and Roach is on record as saying it's a bad style match up for Pac and you can tell your feelings are getting hurt when you start calling a fighter a ***** :lol: In case you forgot Guzman beat Funeka

    Guzman was easily the best from 122-130 during Pac's time there bar Marquez. From Morales 2-Jmm2 it shoudl have happened. Everyone was talking about Guzman, Barrios, Soto facing off with Pac, Guzman beat the other 2, still no fight. Arum was talking about making Pac-Soto after Guzman beat him :lol: But it's okay go back to complaining about Mayweather's cherry picking to make yourself feel better :lol:
     
  11. horst

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    Different situation entirely.

    Floyd was in the same division as these guys for years and years, the fights would've made HUGE money, yet he chose to make less money and get less praise for fighting poorer fighters (eg Baldomir, Judah, Sharmba Mitchell, JM Marquez, etc).

    Pacquiao was not in the same division as Campbell and Guzman for the same length of time, but even when he was in the same division, he was having big fights for more money with better fighters (eg Morales, Marquez, Barrera at 130). Nate Campbell brought nothing to the table, that Pac "avoided" him throughout his long and illustrious career at lightweight (1 single fight) is a bad joke.
     
  12. SouthpawJab

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    Barrera wasn't prime. He had like 60 fights and 2 wars with Morales under his belt. Typical Pac cherry pick. A big name, but not a big challenge. He tried the same bull**** with Morales...then he got outboxed.


    Trinidad was a career welterweight. Had one career fight at 160 before being beaten by Hopkins.
     
  13. horst

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    Funeka beat Guzman's ass, got robbed, and then Guzman cheated his way to a win in a rematch. How does this square with your opinion that Guzman was the Charley Burley of his era? :patsch

    Pacquiao is also a cherrypicking ducker for not fighting Ali Funeka as well then I suppose. :dead
     
  14. horst

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    Barrera in 2003 was a typical Pac cherrypick, even though Pac was a nobody over here at the time, and was a massive underdog in the fight.

    Probably the flat-out dumbest post of the year. Consider yourself ignored by me for the remaining duration of this thread, you're ****ing braindead. :nut:nut:nut
     
  15. SouthpawJab

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    Carlos Baldomir was the lineal 147 champ. That's better than anything Cotto or Margarito can possibly claim to have done. So now you bash him for taking less money to fight better fighters...lol.

    Pac jumped up purely to get another paper belt. Why didn't he fight prime Nate Campbell...the true 135 champ? Because he cherrypicks...and has done so consistently since the 1st Marquez fight.