Who do you rank higher as an ATG: Azumah Nelson or Floyd Mayweather Jr?

Definitely Nelson.

Floyd is getting closer to ATG status but he's got nothing on Azumah right now. Floyd needs to answer his critics and put some more significant fights in his W column to justify any discussion as an ATG.

 

I wanted Guzman-JMM too and talked about around 07 onwards, stop cherry picking posts, although Guzman was primarily chasing Pac a fight with JMM would have been a great 1 and as a technical chess match I'd find it more interesting. But JMM wasn't at 130 until 07, before that both JMM and Guzman took turns in being mando to Scott Harrison, who pulled out numerous times on both of them

After the Campbell and Funeka **** ups it went firmly off the radar but from 07-08 it would have been very interesting and I'm unsure who'd I'd pick in that period. Guzman would beat MAB and Morales at 130 though

As for Funeka supposedly being poor, didn't Funeka KO Raheem who in turn won every round against Morales before Pac beat him :huh

 

Trinidad was a huge WW who ran thru 154 and destroyed the consensus #2 MW in the world in Joppy (even though he was nothing great, 160 was weak).

Excellent win/performance by Hopkins.

Barrera may have been a little past his prime in 2003 but not much, was still a top 5 p4p fighter and had one of the best wins/performances of his
career a year later. Very few people expected Pacquiao to win. Great win for Manny.

The point is true that you can pick apart any fighter's resume. With Floyd, it doesn't need much nitpicking, it is fairly weak for his skill/talent level, but I dont think it necessarily means that Nelson is greater.

 

Gotta love the hate for Mayweather on these forums.... Dude had an 84-6 amateur record with an olympic medal... He goes undefeated in 41 pro fights, and 18-0 in world title bouts.. He captures belts in 5 weight classes...

He opts not to fight maybe one or two guys, and all of a sudden his whole career turns to ****...

 

The is on you, sunshine.

Baldomir became the linear champ by edging out an unfocused, lazy Judah, who was beaten far more impressively by Cotto around a year later.

Cotto was also a damn good title holder at 140 too.

Margarito - alright he wasn't exactly a brilliant fighter, but offered a stiff test which Mayweather decided to ignore. Apart from Mosley who was on the outer, and Judah who he'd defeated..... who else was there for Floyd to fight?

Mosley
Margarito
Baldomir

It was the easiest and least financially enticing of the three fights, by some distance. There's no way Floyd would have dominated Mosley in 2006 as he subsequently did four years later, nor could he have beaten Margarito into submission as Shane later did.

His career from 135 and up sucks.

 

All fair points. And i wasn't directing my comment at you, as you seem to be reasonable in your views. But there are some haters around here who just really obnoxtious.

 

1. Umm who beat the best version of Judah before Cotto beat an inactive version after low blowing

2. Who Arum kept away from Mayweather

3. Perhaps, but Mayweather Promotions offered Margarito the Judah date but Arum turned it down asking Mayweather to re-sign and take a 3 fight deal, which offered 8million for Marg, 7million for Cotto and 6 million for Hatton - all acording to a Bob Arum press release in '06. Mayweather made 8million for Baldomir and 20+million for DLH (a fight Arum said he wouldn;t make in '06) and the same again against Hatton

4. You mean the Mosley who didn't want to fight Mayweather in 06 because 'he had tooth ache' :yep

 

Mayweather arguably hasn't hit the same ceiling as Nelson if we're taking Sanchez as the ceiling, although with DLH 5 divisions up that's up for debate. When did Nelson take on bigger men and win?

What's so impressive about Nelson's FW/SFW reigns missing in Mayweather's best reigns, because he didn't beat the best in either division an his best wins were coming up in weight

FYI Nelson didn't only fight 13 bouts, Africans of that period have many more bouts often not recorded on boxrec

 

There's some **** funny contradictions in this thread:

1. 'Mayweather doesn't have wins as good as Gomez and Fenech' 'Hatton and JMM were moving up in weight' - wait weren't Gomez and Fenech moving up in weight too? Didn't Mayweather face Corrales/Castillo/DLH/Gatti all who were allot bigger on the night, who did Nelson fight who was a load bigger and beat?

2. 'Nelson has reigns at FW and SFW that are better than Mayweather's reigns at any class' - oh does he? Did he beat Pedroza at FW? No? Did he beat Mitchell, Chavez, Lockridge at 130? No. 'Mayweather avoided fighters' - but obviously Nelson didn't fight the best himself even though he spend his whole career in 2 weight classes with less fighters to miss out on

 

No wonder you are so scarily reasonable, Spock.


On the rest:
I think Mayweather ranks a bit higher, not much. There are some good arguments for Nelson though. Depends on your criteria I guess.

Resumewise Mayweather isn´t Top50. His achievements are very good though. Borderline I think.

On skill he would be higher than that I think. Behind Kid Chocolate though.

Kid Chocolate. You deserve a slap for that. :twisted:

Otherwise, go Popkins!

 

Stonehands.