Who do you rank higher at heavyweight : Tyson or Holyfield ?

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  1. Sonny's jab

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    To me, it's hardly debatable. Holyfield ends up as the GREATER HEAVYWEIGHT.

    But I know some like to rank Tyson over him. Not sure how many, hence this poll.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    I have Holyfield narrowly ahead. His much better longevity as a top level heavyweight and two wins over Tyson edge him ahead of Tyson's very dominant but short to mid length reign IMO.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Hollyfield 8, Tyson 9.

    Basically if you want to rank Tyson above Hollyfield, you have to do it on head to head despite the fact that Hollyfield twice bested Tyson - so you're clinging to Tyson's peak, and the fact that he beat Holmes during it. Meahwhile, Hollyfield proves that results v ATG fighters are possible past peak.

    In addition, Hollyfield beats Tyson regardless. He's just the right guy.
     
  4. Illmatic

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    Tyson had a period of dominance that Holyfield never had.
     
  5. Sonny's jab

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    Personally I would seperate the two by a far wider margin that one place on the list.

    Roughly, I'd have Holyfield in the top 8, but I reckon Tyson ends up around #15, perhaps.
     
  6. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    In the last top10 list i made, i think i had Holyfield slightly higher.

    But now that i think about it, i wonder why i made that choice. I think there's very little between them: Tyson was more dominant and convincing, while Holyfield has longitivity and of course beat Tyson twice.
     
  7. Jack Dempsey

    Jack Dempsey Legend Full Member

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    Good question!!!

    I'd go with McGrains post
     
  8. ChrisPontius

    ChrisPontius March 8th, 1971 Full Member

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    That's a very wide gap, Sonny's Jab.

    Wouldn't you agree that nothing Holyfield did even compares to what Tyson did between '86 and '89? Of course after that, Tyson went south, but Holyfield has had some embarrassements as well.
     
  9. fists of fury

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    Mmm...it's not cut and dried for me, one way or the other.

    Tyson was a lot more dominant, but Holyfield was the 'miracle man' of boxing. Just when you thought he was finished, here he came again and proved you wrong. Holy was maybe not as consistent as Tyson, but he did reach greater one-off performances on the whole, and holds two victories over Tyson himself.

    Holy displayed two assets that people love to see: Immense determination and heart. Some say Tyson lacked these qualities.
    Tyson though was a pure knockout machine and (from a personal standpoint) was a lot more exciting to watch. It's fair to say he had more natural ability.

    I suppose if you just watched highlights of their careers, you'd be inclined to say Tyson, but more in-depth analysis would favour Holyfield.
    I don't think there's much in it though.
     
  10. JohnThomas1

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    People really can go either way on this one according to their own personal preferences, and defend it quite well. It's a very good debate this topic. Anything but black and white and no-one is wrong IMO unless putting them dramatically apart.
     
  11. McGrain

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    A lot of people are saying, "Tyson was more dominant". I agree. But over who. Surely Hollyfields two wins over Tyson, his win over Bowe and his draw with Lennox are worth a lot more than those wins Tyson has over good opposition? Tyson didn't really fight anyone great in the period of dominance, and then when he did, he started to lose.
     
  12. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    If we're talking about respective peaks as well as my all-time list I'd rate Tyson the higher of the two (#8 as opposed to Holyfield at #10). That said Evander definitely has Tysons number head-to-head (at least at any stage from '90 onwards).

    Tyson cleaned out the division in a manner that Holy never did, although Evander had the better longevity as a top force.
     
  13. JohnThomas1

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    Good points, a Tyson supporter would say it's better to dominate an average division than to never dominate at all.
     
  14. Holmes' Jab

    Holmes' Jab Master Jabber Full Member

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    Ps: Great post, fists of fury. Especially regarding the one off performances part. Spot on. :good
     
  15. JohnThomas1

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    A lot commenting but not many voting.