Who do you rank higher at heavyweight : Tyson or Holyfield ?

McGrain · Dec 5, 2007

I Am Legend said:

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When Hatton loses, this is my new avatar until at least Christmas.

Duodenum · Dec 5, 2007

radianttwilight said:

42 year old Foreman was a good win, but keep in mind what he did to Moorer. That's the same Moorer that had just stolen the titles from the Real Deal.
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Yes, but in their first bout, Holy was hampered by a malfunctioning heart muscle, yet still forced MM to get off the deck to pull out a majority decision. He was far more competitive against Moorer than Big George had been, up to the time the lumbering one suddenly put him to sleep. (And in their 1997 rematch, a healthier Holyfield easily took MM apart, bouncing him off the floor repeatedly before the round eight stoppage.)

My dinner with Conteh · Dec 5, 2007

Sonny's jab said:

I believe pre-title is relevant if we are comparing him to Tyson for the reasons I've covered (ie. The difference circumstances of a 3-4 splintered titles scenario versus the 1 real championship scenario)

Mike Dokes was looking good on a comeback, cocaine-free for the first time in years and was as good as ANY fighter Tyson faced in a TITLE fight, imo. And that includes Buster Douglas.

Holyfield came through a tough fight.

He battered Tillis and Thomas, didn't he ??

The unbeaten Alex Stewart put up a great effort.
Sure, Holyfield didn't blast all these guys out in one round but guys like Ali and Holmes,and even (or especially) Marciano and Frazier "struggled" in the same way with certain opponents.

Holyfield had a pretty good run. Adilson Rodrigues was rated, he was has worthy as a Tyrell Biggs. Holyfield sparked him in 2.
Douglas was sparked out in 3. Tyson fans try to discredit that win, but we all know Michael Spinks turned up for Tyson looking soft and possibly "just there for the paycheck".
That's the height of double standards.
Holyfield always had the negative spin in those days, whereas Tyson got off scot-free even in something as bad as the Bonecrusher fight.

Holyfield's much-maligned "inconsistencies" in the nineties amount to 4 or 5 losses to only 3 fighters, two of whom he also beat (Bowe and Moorer), and one (Lewis) who he was very competitive with in the rematch.

Losing the 3rd fight to Bowe IS a major blemish, as is the Moorer defeat (though I must say I've seen champs - Holmes, Ali for example - awarded wins in similar lacklustre defenses). No alibis for Holyfield. He wasn't great on those occasions, but these aren't as severe blemishes has people say. You win some you lose some.

If all this evens him out with Tyson (who got a shellacking from Douglas AND Holyfield, never avenged a loss), the fact that Holyfield utterly crushed Mike when they fought HAS TO COUNT AS DECISIVE in who rates highest.

Just my opinion mind you.
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Good post that mate. Right that's it, I'm convinced. The Deal ranks higher. :good

ps. I must say though, I didn't think 'Vander looked the goods at heavy UNTIL the Rodrigues fight (the Dokes fight made me sit up initally and figure he 'could' be champ but it was a bit 'if'). The manner of the victory vs the Brazilian impressed me, which I first saw the night of the Tyson-Chinny Williams fight. I thought, as I mentioned earlier, he totally lacked power vs Thomas and Tillis and struggled to put them away, despite hitting them with everything. But the Rodrigues win finally gave me hope.

Sonny's jab · Dec 5, 2007

My dinner with Conteh said:

Good post that mate. Right that's it, I'm convinced. The Deal ranks higher. :good

ps. I must say though, I didn't think 'Vander looked the goods at heavy UNTIL the Rodrigues fight (the Dokes fight made me sit up initally and figure he 'could' be champ but it was a bit 'if'). The manner of the victory vs the Brazilian impressed me, which I first saw the night of the Tyson-Chinny Williams fight. I thought, as I mentioned earlier, he totally lacked power vs Thomas and Tillis and struggled to put them away, despite hitting them with everything. But the Rodrigues win finally gave me hope.
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The Rodrigues win was one of his finest.
Adilson wont go down in history as a particularly good contender but the way
Holyfield KO'd him was very impressive.

anut · Dec 5, 2007

EASY.........HOLYFIELD BEAT BETTER OPONANTS.......HE COULD HANDLE ADVERSITY......:smoke:smoke:smoke:smoke

JonOli · Dec 5, 2007

Tyson for me.

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