Who do you rank higher chavez or monzón in a pfp latin list?

I don't think anyone would ever get SRR at 147.

 

Don't forget about Hedgeman Lewis

 

So naturally you believe Hagler fails due to the same criteria? Never stepped up. Picked on welterweight s.

 

SRR at 147 be the only genuinely unbeatable fighter in history.

 

He may be the only exception - at WW anyway. But yes, I think that is generally true.

 

Very good thread Combatesdeboxeo!

 

Very good list and also assessment of Monzon, Arguello and Chavez. My p4p list has Arguello and Chavez next to each other - very close between them. And I'd have Monzon above them both.

 

No argument here. Duran at 135 isn't out of the question tho.

 

Fails is a strong word, but yes, I would pick Chavez as being better pound than Hagler.

 

As I said Chuvalo was bigger than Ali. I actually not sure on Bonavena, and you could be right, I remembered him weighing a little more, but I guess I'm wrong. While Norton and Lyle "are about the same size" as Ali, they have physical attributes that didn't allow Ali to impose himself on them. You wouldn't look at them next to one another, or look at their fights, and think Ali is the bigger guy who had the physical advantages. If anything, it would be the opposite. Point is, them, along with Foreman and others showed me Ali could beat good fighters without needing to physically be superior to them and impose himself on them. That means more than what I saw Monzon do, which was almost always be the bigger guy who imposes himself on the smaller fighters. That won't go very far for me in a p4p discussion.

 

As I said though, Ali beat Foreman, and Foreman is an ATG who was bigger than Ali. Ali beat people who he couldn't out-physical, and if anything they could out-physical him, but he won. I see nobody on Monzon's resume where he beat this caliber of fighter who had physical advantages on him. Which again is the point. I could see Ali beating some fo the SHW because of various factors, and even great SHW. I'm just not able to picture the same with Monzon beating up Cruiserweights or LHW's. Can you?

 

Monzon was great middleweight, no question there. Quite likely significantly better than his opposition allowed him to display .. his greatness is proven by excellence over many years .. This thread is not , to me, debating this .. this thread is a flat out question between two fighters, who was the pound for pound greater ..