Who do you rank higher in all-time p4p standings: KEN BUCHANAN or JIMMY WILDE?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DINAMITA, Nov 12, 2008.


  1. DINAMITA

    DINAMITA Guest

    The first inclination will be Wilde, but before you click that button, check out his resume. There seems to be an awful lot of fights against truly dire opposition, an awful lot. An abundance of real novices. I was looking into this as I was compiling a list of the best resumes ever so gave Wilde's the once-over as his record (137-5-2) is pretty special, and I was pretty shocked by the general standard to be honest. I have read a bit about Wilde so knew of his big wins and his achievements, but this was the first time I went through his resume and looked at his whole career.

    If you contrast this with Ken Buchanan, in particular Buchanan's resume, I think there is a definite case for ranking Buchanan higher.

    I ask as I always ranked Wilde higher in all-time British standings based on what I had read of him.


    Thoughts/opinions? :bbb
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 12, 2008
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  2. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Buchanan had definitely a better resume..even Duran wouldnt give him a rematch..

    but arent they different weights??
    Wilde is considered the greatest flyweight of all time but he did beat alot gusy smaller than him. Had Pancho Villa lived longer..He woudl have been the best flyweight.
     
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  3. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Buchanan deserved a rematch. I thought Duran kicked his ass for most of the fight, but still, given the ending, I would've preferred them to fight again. Buchanan said that he personally didn't think it was Duran who avoided the rematch, but his management (Carlos Eleta).

    I voted Wilde.

    A lot of his opponents have poor records on boxrec, but a lot of them are incomplete anyway. We're talking p4p also, and Wilde was known to beat guys with quite a size advantage on him.
     
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  4. Mike_S

    Mike_S Well-Known Member Full Member

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    "Wilde was known to beat guys with quite a size advantage on him."
    And knock them out!
     
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  5. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Wilde sparked out guys who were much bigger with him, and his series with Pancho Villa is legendary. I don't believe I've seen too much of him though to be honest. There isn't even much available to my knowledge.

    Buchanan however, well, the Laguna win was pretty special for starters. A very good career and the LW champ when it really meant something, unlike now when loads of guys are very good and....LOADS of them have held belts, the guy with most of them might not be the best and the supposed best have either A) lost their belts B) seem to be on the way out C) are not fighting in the division anytime soon.

    Buchanan for me.
     
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  6. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    He was known for consistently knocking out guys much bigger than him.
     
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  7. chimba

    chimba Off the Somali Coast Full Member

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    Mistype..I picked Wilde as well..although he was much bigger than PAncho when they fought..Like i siad the greatest flyweight..different division
     
    chimba, Nov 12, 2008
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  8. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Wilde. His resume is a bit poor for a fighter of his status, but there are some good wins there as well and he not only beat but was known to dominate men who were much, much bigger than himself. His 90-fight unbeaten streak is also impressive. Buchanan beat Laguna twice, but Laguna himself was already fading, Ortiz was far from his prime when Buchanan beat him, and he beat a couple other good fighters like Carlos Hernandez, Angel Robinson Garcia, and Jim Watt. It's not enough to be placed over someone like Wilde.
     
    the cobra, Nov 12, 2008
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  9. TFFP

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    You realise they probably aren't novices, and that the records are incomplete right?

    Wilde anyway.
     
    TFFP, Nov 12, 2008
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  10. DINAMITA

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    I realize that, but even still, I still have my doubts as to how good Wilde's resume is. To me it seems like he ad a few wonderful wins and not really that much else of substance.

    However, this is anything but a hate campaign against Jimmy Wilde. I am well aware that he is a stone cold ATG, I'm just putting the question out there that perhaps Buchanan deserves equal status.
     
    DINAMITA, Nov 13, 2008
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  11. jc

    jc Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Wilde was the definition of 'pound 4 pound'.
     
    jc, Nov 13, 2008
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