WHO do you rank higher, liston or schmeling in legacy?

Sorry but Frazier's win over Ali ****es over Schmeling's win over Louis. Who did Schmeling beat besides Jack Sharkey and Joe Louis?, and Sharkey he beat on a foul and than lost the rematch making his title reign pretty short and i have to say that the Louis win must have been a fluke considering he didn't even get trough the first round in the rematch.

 

I just listed those fighters Liston stopped that were never stopped before. If you didn't spend so much time trolling you would've seen it. Who did schmeling have an unavenged win over?

 

Your ignorance on this subject is peeking through as the debate goes along. I've listed highlights of Schmeling's resume and have made my case you can continue to believe what you like. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

Quite a lot of people when you look into it.

It is not that Risko, Uzcdun, Stribling, Walker, Hamas, Neusell etc were great heavyweights, the point that gets lost is that Schmeling was beating them at their absolute hiatus.

He basically went for the most highly ranked contender that he could get into the ring with, and these guys were #1s, #2s and #3s when he fought them

When you put it all together, he is the reason why these guys never got to the top.

 

Max...he beat the snot out of a prime Joe Louis in 1936...Liston QUIT on his stool against a light-hitting Cassius Clay in Miami in 1964...and then took a DIVE against Ali up in Maine in May 1965. Met Liston as a kid in late 1964 while he was training for his rematch with Ali in Plymouth Mass.

 

Absolutely not. Louis came off a series of destructions over former champs - including a hugely impressive demolition of Baer. We're talking something very similar to Tyson at his peak here in terms of annihilating top opposition. Ali on the other hand had not looked anything like his peak self against Bonavena, and that's why the odds, and even more so the experts, favored Frazier.

Also, while Frazier came up on top after a grueling war, Schmeling's win was much more one-sided and ended in a KO. Something that wouldn't happen to Louis again until his very last fight.

I'm hard pressed to see any way in which Schmeling's win isn't better.

 

No that wasn't the question. The question was did Liston knock out ANY fighter who's never been knocked out prior to facing him?

 

Liston was more than capable of winning the '64 fight anyway, had he been allowed. But of course, that's a different matter altogether, as I'm sure the Ali lovers will agree.
Go back to Sucking Foreman's ****.

What's your argument about Foreman beating Liston? And what makes you so certain Foreman was more powerful than Liston? Maybe if Liston telegraphed his punches you wouldn't say that, Foreman's punches look more impressive because he pulled them right back. Liston had the same effect on people with subtle looking punches.

 

I'm not so sure about that. Hiatus fighters are very elusive. Hard to find, hard to hit, hard to beat.

 

Wrong choice of words.

What I meant to say is that he beat them at the highest ranking they ever attained.

 

Enough with the personal insults please? You've been doing this for years heavy hands/combatesdeboxeo.

McGrain - can this guy be warned please?

 

You have been hurling personal insults for years under this username and as combatesdeboxeo.

"You have too much free time". Brilliant - you have posted nearly as many times in 4 months on this board as I have in 4 years & you say I have too much free time? Priceless. It would be funny if it wasn't so stupid!