Who do you rate higher as an ATG and why? W Klitschko or E Holyfield

If we're talking heavyweight, Wladimir, and it isn't close.

Holyfield:

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(29KO)
Wladimir:

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(53KO)

Most of Holy's best work was done at cruiser. Wlad has almost as many KO's as Holyfield has fights, ffs. If we take off Holyfield's Cruiserweight wins (18 of them) we have his record at HW:

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which is a lot less flattering.

One of them dominated a decade, the other specialized in losing close decisions to the top guys.

If you look at their common opponents, Wlad won where Holyfield lost, and stopped guys Holy couldn't. The overlaps are not perfect due to ages of those concerned, but the outcomes are consistent.

This should not be a discussion.

 

Fixed your mistakes.

Wlad could have fought Holyfield in his 40's. He didn't want to beat up the corpse of a great fighter like Evander. I would have given him no credit for it. Seems like you give him credit for squeaking by the shadows of two ATG's. Evidently we see things differently.

 

He should have fought him. Then at least he'd have faced 1 (one) ATG. As it is, he has faced NONE.

 

Really?

Evander was like 354 years old in boxing terms. Wlad could have put him in hospital. Holy had a heart condition.

Frankly I respect Klitschko more for not beating on the corpse of Holyfield, and had he done so, I would have given him zero credit for such a win.

 

Bulls****. Had Wlad fought a 45 year old Holyfield, you'd be insulting him for picking it at an old man.

 

Doesn't change the fact that throughout his career Vlad has never faced an Elite or A Class opponent and has been KO'ed twice by B-level opponents.

 

And fighting a 586 year old man would only make it look worse.

 

Holyfield. He fought way better fighters and was a way better fighter himself. Also he would have beat Klitschko if they fought in their prime

 

We get that you don't like Wlad. That's cool. I understand that Holyfield was a very exciting fighter and Wlad can be a cure for insomnia. But looking at their results, Wlad's are flat-out better. It's not debatable.

 

LOL. Now you exaggerating.

 

Holyfield easily at Heavyweight. I respect Wlad but he didn't actually rule 100% for a decade. He did it with his bro that was probably better. They both divided up the division taking on favorable matchups. There was no need for Wlad to avoid Briggs but he did. Also that era was probably the weakest at heavyweight especially compared to the late 80's-90's. Holy fought everybody with no matchmaking or ducking at all that's why his nickname is the real deal.

Now head to head I still give Holyfield the advantage in a relatively close fight because Holyfield is a counter puncher and Wlad limits his output against counter punchers. When I saw Haye do worse against Valuev with less counter punch ability than old Holyfield I knew Wlad would beat Haye easily as there'd be nothing to fear. Prime Holyfield would have the activity to win a close decision against the best version of Wlad (with Emanuel Stewart).

I suppose Wlad fans are worried about his legacy but there's no need to.

 

Being honest and objective does not imply hatred.
Deceiving yourself in the face of facts while trying to fit square peg in round hole does imply a weak mind.

Vlad's attempt at ATG
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It is too bad they robbed him against SNV. Evander would of been willing to fight Wlad and Vitali while SNV didn't seem to want it.

 

Is this a joke?

Best CW of all time, and one of the best HW's of all time.

 

Holyfield is a proven steroid cheat he does not belong on an ATG list on any level just like James Toney proven steroid cheats do not make ATG how much was natural how much was doping.