Who do you rate higher as an ATG and why? W Klitschko or E Holyfield

Toney was an atg because of his supreme defensive skills counter punching ability and cast iron jaw

 

Then why did he repeatedly test dirty for steroids... he was a cheat nothing more improved strength and stamina can make you better then you really can make you a better countet puncher as you do not tire as easily same with defensive skills even chin is helped as you are more likely to be stopped when tired. are and Toney pissed dirty several times how many fights was he not caught.

 

Lol steriods make that make you a slick counter puncher where do I sign up

 

This +1.

 

Holyfield.....too easy

 

Holyfield, and not by a little

 

They can give you increased stamina and power which does make you a more effective counter puncher especially as a fight wears on and can keep your opponent wary of your counters... if you cannot see that simple fact you have your head up your backend.

 

It wasn't long ago when Klit fans said he was even greater than Ali.
I guess they've figured out how ignorant that sounds and downgraded to Holyfield, but I think the bar is still too high. You should keep lowing the bar until you get to the Bert Cooper level.

 

P4P Holyfield.

Heavyweight Wlad.

Pretty cut and dried for me.

 

I could go with that. Holyfield was a serious overachiever given his weight.

 

Seems to me guys are voting with nostalgia and aren't looking at the plain facts, which show that Wlad fought more, won more, lost less and against comparable opponents did better.

Tell Holyfield that Byrd says hi.

 

Holyfield is higher in the ATG stakes (including his CW achievements of course) but I'd pick a prime Wlad h2h due to the size difference.

 

This,

Has Wlad thrown a body shot in his entire career? I challenge anyone to post a gif

 

Butterbean had more wins than Wlad where does he rate