Who do you rate Higher Mosley or Trinidad?

Yes that version was better but it is not as though Oscar beat the stuffing out of him.

What makes you think shane would have taken out tito?

Why do you think shanes resume is better than titos?

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Who knows, tito should have styayed around the ww jmw limit.

he could have enhanced his legacy so much moire, but with politics in life and boxing plans just dont always follow through.

 

Got to disagree here man. Mosley's win over de la Hoya on top of his dominating performances before hand should have seen him take the number one spot. No one managed to beat a prime Oscar that clearly, even Mayweather struggled to beat a past prime, part time Oscar as clearly in my opinion. Jones on the other hand was dominating a weak 175 division struggling to top his win over James Toney many years before 2000 (beat Toney in 1996 I think?). Shane fully deserved the accolade in my opinion and come the time of his defeat to Forrest I think Hopkins should have been number 1 until Jones beat Ruiz for his heavyweight strap in 2003 I think.

 

Wouldn't quite go as far as laughing but I found myself wondering why his run at 154 was so special. David Reid was what? Four years out from the Olympics, a talented kid but inexperienced going into a fight with the second best pound for pound fighter in the world and Trinidad couldn't get him out of there. Then there is the Vargas fight, a fight where I think Tito's performance is overrated as he struggled to get Vargas out of there in a foul filled tough fight. If Tito should have had an easy time with any world class fighter at 154 in that period I thought it would be Vargas. Not too sure what weight he fought Winky at but I think it was 154, and the less said about when trying to defend Trinidad's legacy the better.

 

I'd say Trinidad's run at WW was stronger than Mosley's at LW by a decent margin. More title defenses, and beat better opposition (not that either's was really strong, Tito didn't beat DLH in my view).

Trinidad (or more appropriately, Don King) did waste way too much time fighting overmatched opposition. His title challengers from 1995 to 1998 was awful for such a high quality fighter. Oba Carr and Yori Boy Campas in 1994 were solid undefeated contenders, (the claims of Tito "ruining" them are laughable however). Trinidad did comprehensively beat an aging Pernell Whitaker, for what it's worth. I'll give him the edge over Mosley in terms of these reigns.

Trinidad's win against Vargas was an excellent win and Tito's best. I don't think it's bad to struggle with Vargas, who was a very good fighter at his best, but the Reid win wasn't all that great to me. Yeah, Reid was an undefeated title-holder, and won a Gold Medal. He also was very flawed, had like 14 pro fights, a bad eye, and looked poor in some previous fights (particularly the Kelley bout). His management cashed out on him because of the eye thing. Reid was athletic, but I didn't think that highly of his boxing skills.

Trinidad's resume of wins gets pretty overrated actually, although I personally love watching him fight.

 

Based upon both mens' performances against Oscar, that's highly unlikely.

 

Mosley didnt quit after losing he stuck around and continued to dazzle and fights into old age

he loses and tries to rematch his foe like Forrest and Wright and does better the second time around

he actually has a deserved win over Oscar

Trinidad was a very good fighter but he retired without fulfilling everything he could have. He lost and we could have seen what he really was made of but he went away

 

It is that 1995 to 1998 period that does get me. Whereas you have Oscar jump upto 147 and who is his first fight after a tough fight against Gonzalez? Its one of the top two fighters in the world, a past prime Pernell Whitaker. Then he starts facing guys like Camacho, Quartey and Carr in a period of two years before fighting Trinidad. Its as though Oscar works through the division pretty quickly whereas Tito seems to have wasted quite a bit of time for me, never getting round to fighting Whitaker early enough or Quartey at all. The guy has some very good wins against Camacho, Campas and Carr but...their a small part of a long reign which is sporadically filled with guys who shouldn't have been in the ring with Tito.

Don't know too much about Reid other than his gold medal, the win over a shot Simon Brown, his fight with Tito and the short career so I can't really comment there but I thought Tito should have dispatched a guy that inexperienced he hadn't had time to iron over the creases in his game (I also remember Reid fighting with a nasty mouse over his eye).

The Vargas win was a very good win, I won't take that away from Tito. He struggled against Vargas, as did de la Hoya for a period and as did Shane Mosley in their first fight. The point I was trying to make that I don't think was too clear was that an urban myth seems to have developed around the fight, that Tito rolled into and destroyed Vargas over a period of twelve round when Vargas was this undefeated future great who took a beating it ruined him for good. I thought it was good fight, action packed, foul filled in parts and that Tito proved to be a better fight. It just wasn't the destruction that some people seem to think it is.

I love watching Tito fight, as I love watching Shane fight. Both guys have their flaws but they bring a certain electricity to fight, whether it is a montster left hook and cold accurate power punching that tito had, or lightening fast combination that rock iron chinned warriors like Mosley had. They both have that same sort of appeal that Mcclellan and Jackson have for me, though I like Tito and Mosley more.

 

Styles, though. Shane was never a lateral mover or a calculated, pick-your-shot pure boxer. He'd get into a fight with Trinidad, and I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Trinidad's superior power and tighter technique being too much.

 

atsch GREAT analogy, wonder why it took so long 4 somebody to figure it out. Then again, it's highly unlikely that anyone with a bit of knowledge about boxing would ever make such a ludicrous statement.

 

Its close but I went with Mosley.. Mosey was faster and quicker.. not as powerful. but he still took care of everyone Tito did (Oscar, Vargas, Mayorga).. he beat a tough Collazo, Banged with Cotto.. I just think Mosley has more talent and skill overall.. but its close