Who do you rate higher?

good video. Bernard has his **** together

 

This. If Lopez had moved through the above 2 or 3 weight-classes and gone in with the likes of Michael Carbajal, Humberto Gonzalez, Jake Matlala, Leo Gamez, Yuh Myong-Woo, Yuri Arbachakov, Danny Romero, Mark Johnson and Johnny Tapia and beaten a couple of those names, he'd have a far better case.

Even if he'd taken a couple of defeats along the way, beating a couple of those names would massively enhance his resumé and his all-time P4P ranking would improve tenfold [exaggeration]. As it is, he'll go down as an excellent technician and a very, very good fighter who dominated a poor weight-class and has virtually nothing of note on his resumé.

 

Looking at this I think Finito should b higher than JC, and JC beat 2 or three ex-champs when they were way past their prime.

 

:think

 

My thoughts exactly.

 

I'll take Calzaghe in this one.

 

Becoming a World Champion at Minimumweight is not a terribly difficult thing to achieve. The majority of those former or future champions listed on Lopez's win column would probably not be any better than the Byron Mitchell's of this World. Vorapin was past his prime, and Sorjaturong was a little bit green, never really THAT good at any point in his career anyway.

Like I said before, victories over Kessler and Hopkins outweigh anything on Lopez's resume. Hopkins was obviously past his best, but he'd go on to school Kelly Pavlik and beat Jean Pascal in the eyes of the majority.

 

I don't think Ricardo has more than 3 good wins out of the 51 he fought. Calzaghe easily has the greater career.


Ricardo Lopez has probably the most padded record in existence. Not even close to an ATG not even close to a HOF'er...

 

I noticed that. The ****? I guess it was confusion between 'Tito' and 'Finito' some how.

 

This

I copied it from my Trinidad vs Calzaghe as a template.

 

Lopez doesn't have a "padded" record. There was very little quality at 105lbs during his reign, and that has historically been the case with the Minimumweight division. Considering the money that was to be made in fights with Humberto Gonzalez and Michael Carbajal, who both broke 1 million fighting one another, it boggles the mind that Lopez never made the jump. If Don King was the problem, he should have found himself another promoter.

 

Like both and think its close, no vote fence sitting

 

Lopez for me. Calzaghe's resume is slightly stronger (even though I didn't think he won the fight with Hopkins, but even still), but in every other way Lopez's career and Lopez as a fighter was superior, ie his best performances were much better, his ability was vastly superior, and he was in my opinion a far better minimumweight than Calzaghe was a supermiddleweight. I would take Lopez to tool any minimumweight who has ever lived, but Calzaghe was far more flawed and would be beaten by numerous fighters who have campaigned at supermiddle, including Jones Jr, Toney, and very possibly Ward and Dirrell. That type of fighter, slick and skilled, would have exposed Calzaghe's technical deficiencies, much like a Bernard Hopkins bereft of stamina was able to. JMHO.

 

He is the most overated fighter of all time.

 

Forget who you like the most, which fighter fought and beat the most impressive level of competition? Surely that's the most effective and clear way to gauge the quality of each fighter?

Let's clarify, Ricardo Lopez had every opportunity to go and find the scalps at 108lbs, but he decided against it. It was through fault of his own.