Who do you rate higher?

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:huh

Resumé is a huge portion of how you should rate them on a P4P all-time great scale.

 

The two go hand in hand. I typically rate the fighters with the most impressive resumes the highest.

 

Which lesser opponent did Calzaghe outbox then more effectively than Ricardo Lopez.

 

p4p.

Skills > Resume

 

pick any fighter you want, because Lopez has the worst resume I have ever seen.

 

I don't see how this should have any baring. We're clutching at straws now.

Ricardo Lopez was not infaliable. He was made to look ordinary against Alvarez, albeit a pretty good fighter in his own right. If you can get inside on Lopez, you can land punches and limit his offense, at least that was seen to be the case in those particular fights.

 

Not for me.

Resume (50%)
Ability (20%)
Accomplishments (20%)
Longevity (10%)

 

p4p ranking resume > skills

 

That's a little misguided in my opinion, rs. Lopez demonstrated his ability against a far weaker range of opponents. Yes, weaker even than those Calzaghe faced. Yes he looked great, and was undoubtedly a very talented fighter, but it's easy to look even better when your opposition is poor. I have doubts over whether Lopez would have been able to beat Carbajal at 108 had he moved up.

 

Hard to say what his contract was like but he probably thought given his profile at the time and the profile on the lower weights he was best off sticking with King.

Carbajal actually left Arum for King and fought on the same card as Lopez a couple of times I think, the fight looked like it was getting built towards. But MC must have jumped ship again back to Arum, because he began fighting on his cards again.

I really should have put up a picture of the Bobfather aswell...as it was a big mess and both were to blame.

 

Carbajal was a very impressive fighter at his best. Good repertoire of punches, and could fight on the inside very well. Probably the hardest hitting Light Flyweight in the history of the sport, also. I can't think of a better candidate. A number of one punch knockouts to his name, including his one over Humberto Gonzalez in their first meeting.

Both Carbajal and Gonzalez would pose problems for Lopez at 108lbs, no question about it.

 

We have all manipulated the question, me included, not so much to my benefit as p4p is completely subjective and the ratio between skills, resume etc that is used to determine p4p ranking can vary for fighters, for examples Donaire on the Ring's p4p list was like 80% skill 20% resume, whereas somebody like Mosely was 50% 50%.

 

I agree this discussion has moved on.

The reason why I was discussing the method/skill used by Lopez being more impressive than Calzaghe, was because the head to head with other weight rivals discussion came up.

If I base it on resume, achievements and opposition beaten I think they both still about the same, and dont see a problem if someone rates either one higher.

But when it comes to skills, IMO Ricardo Lopez is a few levels above.