Who do you rate more highly: Joe Calzaghe or Bernard Hopkins?

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  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I definetly think Winky in his prime was the superior fighter. Thats no reflection on Calzaghe, I just rate Winky very highly. Ok, his prime was pretty short, and his career wasn't as prestigious. But he was great at what he did.
     
  2. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    So you're not familiar with the work of Bernard Hopkins, circa 2001-2004?
     
  3. BritInvasion

    BritInvasion keepin on keepin on Full Member

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    He was though I personally see him a class below Calzaghe. You remember him on his 'UK tour'?
     
  4. FrochPascal

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    look man, just for me...calzaghe would defeat tarver handily.

    Roy at hes best is different. I think he could beat calzaghe...but i wouldnt say calzaghe would definately lose. Put it this way...calzaghe would be hes best opponent any way you look at it
     
  5. BritInvasion

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    Joe Calzaghe is more than capable of giving Roy Jones a very tough fight. I think its a great match up. But Joe definitely loses.
     
  6. FrochPascal

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    ....im a winky fan....and calzaghe at 170 like he fought hopkins would be an 'easy' calzaghe UD. No question
     
  7. Rock0052

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    Oh yeah, he could definitely trip up along the way, as most guys who've fought that much do. That's where having Calzaghe's entire career to look back upon for it's consistency makes it a safer bet for me to figure fewer of those slip ups would happen. It's definitely possible, though.

    So, the next question becomes, are there 4 other names you feel would/could beat him? We've got Tarver down as a possibility, so that leaves 3 left.
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Look, Tarver is one of the most unpopular fighters around, but in his prime at Light-Heavy the guy was a big, strong and resilient beast.

    Calzaghe never fought a legit light-heavy in their prime. There is no way to say with any degree of certainty how he would have done.

    Calzaghe may be regarded as the better fighter, but that doesn't mean he could step up to LH and beat Tarver with any great ease.

    And that last part is just ridiculous nuthuggery, I'm assuming you've never heard of James Toney.
     
  9. BritInvasion

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    Your preaching to the converted: I too think he'd do at least as well as Hopkins with the same opponents, and I can't make my mind up on Antonio Tarver but he's a possibility. So a loss to Roy is a definite. After that I dunno? But less defeats than Hopkins I would suggest.
     
  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    It would be a very similar fight to the Hopkins fight. Prime Winky would have landed the cleaner, more effective counter punches and Joe would have the work rate and be hitting gloves and forearms all night. Winky's style, as DINAMITA already pointed out, isn't, and was never based on physical attributes - therefore when you fight like he does, weight becomes significantly less important, you dig?
     
  11. BadJuju83

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    Hopkins.


    I think Calzaghe beats him in a match-up during the time because he is all wrong for Hop, but Hopkins overall is ahead.

    Would have loved to have seen a fight at 168 in 05. Would have been a classic.
     
  12. FrochPascal

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    erm james toney---one of my favourite ever fighters. yes i have. Calzaghe would be more of a match at any stage than toney. Toney is a 'master' int he ring...he'll have a tough time vs the super quick RJJ and the amazing work rate of calzaghe. If youve followed james toney...you should know he doesnt do anywhere near as much work in rounds as calzaghe and even jones. Regardless of probably never being hurt at any stage...he probably losed UD at any stage
     
  13. Rock0052

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    Problem is, weight itself might not be AS important for Winky, but size and activity always would be. Winky would have to stop Calzaghe- he never had the workrate to take rounds off of a swarmer with a size advantage on him- and Joe utilizes enough angles that I think plenty of shots would be getting around the turtleshell and scoring.

    The more Winky focused on defense, the less offensive he could be, and I don't think he had the pop to keep Joe off of him and alter Calzaghe's gameplan.
     
  14. FrochPascal

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    i dont dig, did u c paul williams vs winky? A fighter(of high level) with a very high punch output will trouble winky...ala calzaghe. Calzaghe wouldnt allow him to get off and he has a pretty big size advantage. Regardless, he may not be hurt in the fight...as i said, calzaghe 'easy' UD
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Believe it or not, I don't disagree that stylistically Calzaghe would be more of a handful thanToney was for a prime RJJ. (although Calzaghe would still lose and probably get stopped, IMO - no shame in that). But thats not what you originally said, you said that Calzaghe would be RJJ's best opponent. I disagree, I think that a prime James Toney coming off a couple of fantastic wins, was a better fighter than Joe Calzaghe, and therefore still would have been Jones' 'best opponent'.