Who do you rate more highly: Joe Calzaghe or Bernard Hopkins?

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  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Yeah, I agree. The timing was never right. It's not something which I particularly long to see either.
     
    El Cepillo, May 8, 2009
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  2. DINAMITA

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    I disagree. The timing wasn't wrong for six full years 1997-2003. Calzaghe had all that time to move up and chase the fight. But he never did. End of story.
     
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  3. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    steady on, steady on.:rofl
     
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  4. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    Yarp.

    I dont think Roy in his prime was ever achievable, but I think Hop could have been.

    It would have invovled taking less money and going to America and fighting Echols,Lucas and Johnson at least.

    Even after that he would have had to project a better gain for Hop than Oscar did, because that was on the Horizon for Hop from 03. But even a 04-5 version of Hop was brilliant to me.


    Would have loved to have seen a fight at 168 in 04-5 between Hop and Calzaghe, and that was achievable. Shame.
     
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  5. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Well, thats true. Neither Hopkins nor Jones were inaccessible opponents. Calzaghe could have actively pursued the fight through various means. But that isn't the Calzaghe mentality, it wouldn't have fit in with the fundamental ideal of his career; to defend the '0' and be dammed with everything else that makes a fighter great. As you mention, the idea that Clinton Woods could secure a fight with Roy, but for Calzaghe it was entirely unattainable goal, seems a bit unlikely.
     
    El Cepillo, May 8, 2009
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  6. FrochPascal

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    except looking at it from their point of view, woods was iven the opportunity knowing he was to step up to heavyweight i think in the very next fight...
     
    FrochPascal, May 8, 2009
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  7. DINAMITA

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    Why wasn't Roy Jones achievable? Clinton Woods fought him in the USA. As a well-supported and undefeated British supermiddleweight champion, Joe would obviously have brought more money and interest to the table than many of Jones's opponents 1997-2003.

    Why wasn't Hopkins achievable 1997-2003? Howard Eastman fought him in the USA. As a well-supported and undefeated British supermiddleweight champion, Joe would obviously have brought more money and interest to the table than many of Hopkins's opponents 1997-2003.
     
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  8. scott is cool

    scott is cool Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Under who Calzaghe beat you seemed to purposely miss out B-Hop himself. :rofl
     
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  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    To be honest.... with the people Jones fought, I'm thinking Woods here in particular, kind of suggests that Calzaghe could have perhaps secured a fight if he had really wanted to. All the evidence suggests that Joe never tried to do that, which is something I don't blame him for - but it really says a lot about his own mentality and self belief. As you say, Bernard Hopkins was certainly something that could and should have happened sooner, why it didn't is open for debate. I think the common belief is that Hopkins wanted a bigger and better payday - which could have been remedied by Joe budging a little on whatever demands he made, to secure the fight.
     
    El Cepillo, May 8, 2009
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  10. BadJuju83

    BadJuju83 Bolivian Full Member

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    It's 98-02.

    And can you point out how Calzaghe can manouvere himself into a better posistion than DM, in that time frame. He'd be a Euro WBO SMW belt holder with no defenses chasing the P4P King at LH.
     
    BadJuju83, May 8, 2009
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  11. DINAMITA

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    Calzaghe can maneouvre himself into a position to get the fight by... maneouvering himself into a position to get the fight. Clinton Woods did. Many others did in Jones's lhw reign 1997-2003.
     
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  12. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Woods was given the opportunity because he had worked his way up the IBF rankings and was the NO1 contender as far as I'm aware. This is a very convential path to securing a super-fight, a path Calzaghe never choose to take.
     
    El Cepillo, May 8, 2009
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  13. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    but calzaghe was a SMW who wasnt even established as the best in hes weight??
     
    FrochPascal, May 8, 2009
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  14. DINAMITA

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    Ricky Hatton went over to the USA and won a belt at Mayweather's weight to legitimize himself as an opponent and build interest in the fight. Joe never did do that. This is a concrete fact that Calzaghe maniacs can foam at the mouth trying to talk their way out of, but they are doomed to failure as usual.
     
    DINAMITA, May 8, 2009
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  15. DINAMITA

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    The excuses are getting flimsier and more desperate as this thread goes on......

    Any chance any Calzaghe fan would just admit that he never did his best to secure a fight with Jones, and be men about it?
     
    DINAMITA, May 8, 2009
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