Who do you rate more highly: Joe Calzaghe or Bernard Hopkins?

except hatton had done everything he could do at home. Completely different to calzaghe at the time. Completely different.

 

any chance you stop your blind hate?? it shines through

 

By 2002 Joe Calzaghe had been a world champion for 5 years, he was around 32 years old, and had beaten the best domestic fighters in Reid and Woodhall.

It was completely different to Hatton, you're right, Calzaghe was more established, more experienced, and with less time on the clock to go for the biggest fights.

You really are failing miserably here. :good

 

thats bs. Thats like saying DM should have gone to america to clime up a ladder to fight jones??. Calzaghe was almost near the top. He was about to reach it(i.e have a career defining fight)...then a fight with jones would be automatic. People would have called for it. However, when calzaghe fought and beat lacy.....jones' time at the top had passed.

 

spare me the joke posts. Hatton had already beaqten tszyu. Calzaghes 'defining 'fight turned out to be lacy which ave him the recognision etc. By this time jones wasnt the p4p no.1 jones fromt he past

 

Hatton won the belt v Tszyu in '05, moved up and beat Collazo in '06, got the fight with Mayweather in '07.


Calzaghe won the belt v Eubank in '97,

and '98 passed...

'99....

'00....

'01....

'02....

'03.... Jones moves to heavyweight, then comes back down and gets involved with Tarver.



Do you or don't you see and admit the difference?

 

You spare me the ****ing joke posts - you've had about 557 of them! :smoke


Are you drunk by any chance? That post looks like you are slurring your typing, if that's possible.

Why couldn't Calzaghe go up to lhw, pursue Jones, and make that his defining fight?

Had Clinton Woods already had a defining fight before he fought Jones?

 

you know full well what you are doing. Your calling for things so unrealistic that you just wish they were true. Ive already stated....yes calzaghe won the belt....THEN WHAT, hes fan base wasnt built up, he wasnt established at the best in the uk or hes own division ETC ETC ETC but you, being you, wanted him to get out of the country, go to america and fight on espn and try to somehow get a fight with someone at LHW???lauhable

 

I can't think of anything less laughable or more realistic. I think you're a bit simple.

By 2002 Joe Calzaghe had been a world champion for 5 years, he was around 32 years old, and had beaten the best domestic fighters in Reid and Woodhall.

What possible reason was there for him at that time to NOT want to chase a big money fight with the best fighter in the world?????


And we all know the answer. Even you.

 

And Carl Froch ****ing annihilated their ludicrous denials in his very first defence. Froch was unknown in the USA, had won his title by beating someone unknown in the USA, and immediately headed to the States to fight a big name in a high risk defence. Game, set, match. :hi:

 

Well it would be 98-02 for a start unless you expect Calzaghe to fight again within 8 weeks of the Eubank fight and give up a WBO title that he never even defended and leave his natural weight, and Jones to give up his HW crusade.


I cant see a route for Calzaghe between those years to manouvere himself past DM. If you see Woods as a reason why the fight can take place and not the fact DM couldnt take place then we will never agree.

The risk reward factor of a Calzaghe or DM isnt the same as Woods or Harmon.


I can see Calzaghe getting a fight with Woods before 00 say. But in winning that doesnt impress the American public. The risk/reward factor for Calzaghe gets worse in defeating his Euro opposistion, like it did for Eubank at MW(Who Roy did want to fight). Roy's team see a talented fighter, but the american public dont. Roy gets paid the same for fighting the Brannons. Why fight DM(Or the hypothetical Calzaghe in this case). Thats how it works.

Just because British fighters get a shot at Jones doesnt mean someone like Calzaghe does. Unless you deem him on the same level. In which case i can see your confusion. But he wasnt, just like DM wasnt. Or Eubank,Benn and Collins werent at SMW.

If it doesnt make cash common sense, or Risk/reward sense it wont get made. I wouldnt have any of those fighters beating Roy at that time, but they had far more of a chance than the Harmons,Brannons etc.

Thats why Roy in his prime was never achievable, but IMO Hop was.

Hop wasnt on 6m a fight, whoever the opponent from HBO.

If Calzaghe had taken a paycut, gone to the states and fought some of Hop's old oppo at 168, like Echols and Johnson, he could have made it worthwile for Hop to accept the offer in 02. But he didnt. And his legacy is harmed by it.


But the myth that he could have fought both of them is bull**** of the highest order.

The fact people accuse him of ducking people that never even fought in his division while he was Champ is beyond pathetic.

But i do think he could have got Hop to accept the contract if he had fought Echols,Johnson and Lucas before 02, and that was doable.

 

I think ive already stated. RJJ used that as a warm up for hes upcoming heavyweight fight. Woods wasnt even a world champion coming into this fight and and it wasnt a huge fight.

Calzaghe is a better fighter. I bet you calzaghe wouldnt even look twice at the price woods took the fight for. You do know BOTH SIDES with a fight between two great fighters would require heavy negotiations. Again, you being you, would probably say something like he shoulda just gone there whatever the money and looked for a fight lol....yeh and possibly throw your whole career away, dump your money making promoter frank warren and look like some kamikazee idiot. You do know about the negotiations between roy and DM right?? Anyway im out now. PEACE to all