Who do you rate more highly: Joe Calzaghe or Bernard Hopkins?

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  1. qwertyz

    qwertyz Ready to rumble Full Member

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    That's your opinion.

    Besides, the question is - who do you rate more highly. I rate more Calzaghe highly and my arugments convience me to think so.
     
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  2. mangler

    mangler Active Member Full Member

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    Bhop lost to him, but not nearly decisively enuf to prove Joe C is better.
     
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  3. Tro

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    Hopkins destroyed Glen Johnson while Calzaghe ducked him twice. Glen Johnson years later goes on to brutaly Ko's a 35yr old Roy Jones while Calzaghe beats a 40yr old Roy Jones although getting badly hurt in the process.
     
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  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Yeah. I don't see how this is relevant. Johnson was green when B-Hop beat him, and Calzaghe never fought him.

    Joe wasn't anything like 'badly hurt' against Jones either. I don't know where that comes from.
     
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  5. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Firstly this is a forum where I give opinions so no I won't shut the **** up you ****.

    De la Hoya and Trinidad are considered by many to be his biggest wins. FACT.

    They are also fighters who's prime weight was at 147. FACT.

    Jumping 2 stone above your natural weight class to fight a guy who was always big at the weight at 160 is a big deal whether you like it or not.

    I was a massive fan of Joe yes but I was into boxing well before him at end of the 80s and will be for a long time yet.
     
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  6. Tro

    Tro Member Full Member

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    Spot on. Calzaghe never truly attempted to secure a fight with Jones whereas Hatton insisted on fighting the best.
     
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  7. Tro

    Tro Member Full Member

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    He seemed pretty hurt to me. Maybe you didn't see the first round. Of course JC showed his warriors heart to get up and dominate as he's done many times thought his career.

    I just mentioned Glen Johnson as earlier on people where comparing opponents. I just wanted to mention a man who was supposed to be a common opponent had Calzaghe not pulled out twice.
     
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  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I don't rate the De La Hoya win particularly highly because Oscar was a natural junior-middleweight. However, Trinidad was a big, tall and strong guy who was never a natural welterweight, and had proved himself at 160, not to mention the fact he was prime and unbeaten fighter who was expected to win. A fantastic victory for Bernard, I don't really see how anyone can suggest otherwise.

    Ironically jumping up two weights from you 'natural' weight class is exactly what Hopkins did when he schooled Tarver. I'll await your response as to why this win isn't worth very much either.
     
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  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    He got knocked down in the first round by a forearm to the throat. I'm sure it hurt, but you make it sound like he was out on his feet or struggling to make the count. Which obviously wasn't the case, I don't think its fair to suggest that he was 'badly hurt' at any time against RJJ. It's an exagaration to suggest that.
     
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  10. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Has Hopkins ever been knocked down?
     
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  11. toffeejack

    toffeejack Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins was never a natural 160 fighter. Do you know what he walks around at? He has admitted himself he was a crazy man to constantly make the weight for so many years.

    I can't recall me not giving him credit for beating Tarver I don't know what you're talking about here.

    Yes.
     
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  12. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    As much as i like Joe Bernards resume is way better
     
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  13. yorkshire_boy

    yorkshire_boy Active Member Full Member

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    2/3 times in the same round. I forget who against but it's up on Youtube. Anyone got a link?
     
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  14. headhunter

    headhunter Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Yes twice against Segundo Mercado
     
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  15. yorkshire_boy

    yorkshire_boy Active Member Full Member

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    I'm a big Calzaghe fan but I think the edge goes to Hopkins - he's faced pretty much the top decent fighters from 160-175
     
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