Who do you rate more highly: Joe Calzaghe or Bernard Hopkins?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, May 8, 2009.


  1. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    So, you think its ok for Calzaghe to spend most of his career fighting tomato cans, because those cans weighed the same as him, but its not ok for Hopkins to fight legends and the elite, because of a few pounds in weight? By that logic, Tocker Pudwill is a better win for Joe Calzaghe than Felix Trinidad was for Bernard Hopkins.
     
  2. FrochPascal

    FrochPascal Boxing Addict Full Member

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    sorry you made no sense. Theres also no point in talking to you as you clearly 'hate' calzaghe. You said on the first page somehting about being pleased about all these answers and how they were so unbiased becaused they pleased you...well how is there even a point to talk to you as your only looking for one side.

    I made a case for hopkins resume being overated and it is. Could calzaghe have face roy earlier???not really. If you dont agree with that then your asking for something totally unrealistic like just move to america with your wife and children and make your career there.
     
  3. radab

    radab Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    you have to be a pretty remarkable fighter to beat guys like Kessler and Hopkins while having no power
     
  4. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    As a footnote, I re-watched the Hopkins-Calzaghe fight and scored it 115-114 for Hopkins. It was a close fight, and a ***** to score, but IMO Hopkins won the H2H, despite losing the decision.
     
  5. mariancobretti

    mariancobretti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    calzaghe is great... Hopkins is exceptional

    Hopkins opposition is better....

    put it this way....if he faced everyone Joe faced he would have beaten them also...and probably done more damage. I dont think Lacy would have lasted 12....I dont think Kessler would either
     
  6. BritInvasion

    BritInvasion keepin on keepin on Full Member

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    Kessler would have had a very good chance against Hopkins at the point Calzaghe faced him. Eubank too would have been a toughie (that X wins). Indeed he may have stopped Lacy.
    Similarly, outside of the great Roy Jones Junior, Calzaghe would have had a similar record as Hopkins against his opponents, though I don't see him losing to Jermain Taylor.
    Mr swing, meet Mr roundabout.
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I don't know if I agree with that particular notion, but it would be interesting to imagine how Calzaghe would have faired against B-Hops opposition. Especially Tarver (in other words a legit light-heavy in his prime), Trinidad, Johnson and Winky.
     
  8. mariancobretti

    mariancobretti Well-Known Member Full Member

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    how do you think Calzaghe would do at age 43???

    hopkins was amazing @36
     
  9. BritInvasion

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    Calzaghe would have no problems with Tito, Glen Johnson would be an interesting fight though the green version that Hop faced would lose to Joe Calzaghe. Winky is always awkward to predict, but I sense Joe would outwork him, to a UD. You maybe onto something with Tarver when I think about it though, a tough fight to call.
     
  10. BritInvasion

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    Its not really relevant to the argument? Hopkins is an utter exception fighting at 43. Succeeding at his advanced age doesn't trump all other fighters though because of its uniqueness, if he'd achieved all that he has in the last 10 years by age 33, he not be a lesser fighter for it.

    EDIT: sorry, I think you mean in paralell career terms. The 43 year old Calzaghe would get mashed. 99% of all fighters who ever laced em up, would get mashed.
     
  11. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    Its logical to think Calzaghe would beat Trinidad, but then again Calzaghe never fought a puncher of Tito's calibre, and Joe did get put on his ass by a 43 year old guy not known for his punching power. So...
    I would still favour Calzaghe via wide UD, as much as it pains me to say it.

    I would favour Tarver to beat him, just because he is bigger and stronger. But its not a very convincing case either way. I'd favour Calzaghe over Winky for similar reason, although I think Winky was the superior fighter.
     
  12. BritInvasion

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    Tito's power won't trouble a young strong 168 Calzaghe. Seriously. It's a long old night for Tito, although a young Joe may actually stop him.
    Winky a superior fighter? I'm not sure man. I think thats a stretch.
     
  13. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    If Calzaghe fought Hopkins' resume, do you think he'd do better or worse than 49-5-1?

    Personally, I think he'd do slightly better than that. I think Roy would be the only person I'd feel pretty comfortable in giving him a loss against.
     
  14. BritInvasion

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    Your right, Roy is his only 'definite' loss. Though 56 fights in, something unexpected will surely happen? Hoya makes a good call on Tarver, a man I don't like or particularly rate, but that is a tough fight to call, no?
     
  15. FrochPascal

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    thats a good point. RJJ is the only one i could see calzaghe losing to.