Who do you think has the better LHW resume between Hopkins and Jones Jr?

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Who do you think has the better LHW resume between Hopkins and Jones Jr

  1. Hopkins

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  2. Jones

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  1. bailey

    bailey Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I think what he is saying is that although less fights, thinks the level of opposition was greater for Hopkins.
    That's what I think he is saying

    It is an interesting argument
    Not LHW but Hopkins had already beaten Johnson and Trinidad at MW.
    Jones lost to Johnson at LHW


    I think that is his point?
     
  2. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Active Member Full Member

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    WTF even makes you suggest I hadn't seen it? Because I said Harding won a UD and lost later? Ok..whatever you do with a statement like that and twist it to whatever you want it to mean, is all on you. :buenrollo:

    No **** sherlock, guys have lost weight before. We're talking more about muscle BTW. But conveniently ignore that.

    Give it a rest Bailey.... You want Roy Jones to be the loser in this poll, everyone can see that. Twist and spin anything to your liking...as usual.
     
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  3. shadow111

    shadow111 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It should be a minus thogh. Bernard's performance 10 years ago in the RJJ rematch was embarrassing. He might have gotten the decision but he didn't deserve it with all the fouling and then carrying on and getting bailed out by Tony Weeks 3 times from borderline stuff when Roy retaliated.
     
  4. bailey

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    by the way you wrote - lost a UD no biggie, which gave me the impression when saying no biggie as if it wasn't a bad loss. Which it was. Which is why I was saying the Hopkins loss may be that Hopkins was possibly just all wrong as it wasn't as if Tarver hadn't already suffered a loss in a similarly bad way.

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    Not even sure what you are going on about here?


    I haven't ignored it.
    You seem more interested in it as some sort of reason, but in all of it, haven't said how far apart filming had finished and when the fight was. Seems you are doing the convenient ignoring



    seems you have got something ridiculous in your head. Not sure why?
    I couldn't care less wins or loses in the poll.
     
  5. bailey

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    I think it was even possible he could have been given a count for what I thought was a KD scored by Jones, but that was ruled as being hit on the back of the head.
    I was not sure that it was on the back of the head but in fairness have only watched it the once years ago but at the time thought it was a KD scored by Jones
     
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  6. The Real Lance

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    You're now going on about stuff I'm not even talking about.... :lol: Make your big deal out of whatever you need to, K?
     
  7. Rico Spadafora

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    Half the guys Jones fought at LHW were civil servants. Many were handpicked optional fights. Hopkins fighting style was absolutely awful at this point but he had the guts to fight guys that Jones would have never dreamed of fighting. Who on here thinks Glass Jaw Roy would have stepped into the ring with Prime Kovalev for example? :lol:
    It would have been murder.
     
  8. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And Jones had already beaten Hopkins at Middleweight.

    The question is who had the better resume at light heavyweight.

    Knocking out Virgil Hill was pretty good. I don't think Hopkins did anything similarly as great at the weight.

    And Jones beat Tarver at light heavyweight, too, the first time they fought. He lost to him as well. But Hopkins didn't fight Tarver again after beating him the first time. Whose to say Hopkins wouldn't have lost had he and Tarver fought a rematch. Hopkins initial win over Tarver was considered an upset at the time.

    They were both very good at the weight. I thought Jones had a better resume at the weight, though, and a better time as champ there. When Jones was a light heavyweight champ, he was dominant.

    When Hopkins was a light heavyweight champ, I don't recall him striking fear into anyone. He'd just manage to get by. I don't think he scored a single KO at the weight.
     
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  9. shadow111

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    He could have been, at the end of the 6th round RJJ hit Hopkins on the back of the head but only after Hopkins created the situation by bull rushing into the corner then holding on to RJJ's right glove and leaning into the ropes. With Hopkins trapping RJJ's right glove and curling up waiting for a break, RJJ loaded up with a left hook and Hopkins went down. It's wasn't a true clinch Hopkins just traped his glove in his armpit leaning into the ropes. Basically it was Hopkins trying to bait RJJ into fouling. Which was hilarious because up to that point Hopkins was the one who was fouling constantly.

    Hopkins tactics were comically bad in this match. And Hopkins continued to headbutt and rabbit punch Jones after that. Hopkins went down again later when RJJ hit him with a double hook head then body the 2nd punch hit Bernard on the belt-line. Yet again could have gotten a count but Weeks saved him. Hopkins went down a 3rd time from a rabbit punch from Jones which was a retaliation for Hopkins giving Jones a rabbit punch right before that.
     
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  10. Dubblechin

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    Actually, if we count Hopkins' pro debut at light heavyweight, he is 9-5-1 with 1 no contest at the weight.

    Only nine wins in 16 light heavyweight fights.

    Like most of Bernard's light heavyweight fights, just barely squeaking by with a winning total there.
     
  11. Dubblechin

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    Hopkins was a master at smack talking. Then the fight would start, and he'd flop and complain.

    I always found Hopkins incredibly frustrating to watch. I never really enjoyed watching him fight.
     
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  12. The Real Lance

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    Much respect for his dedication and longevity, but he was a bore to watch for the most part. Watching a guy throw 15 punches a round is NOT my cup o tea...
     
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  13. Dubblechin

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    I tend to agree.
     
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  14. Loudon

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    You despise Roy. We all know that. So your opinion on anything related to his career is completely irrelevant.

    All you do is embarrass yourself.

    Half the guys were civil servants?

    Really?

    List them then.

    Roy moved up to LHW at 27, in 1996.

    Bernard moved up 10 years later, which was 5 years after King’s MW tournament. When Roy was signing to fight Ruiz, Bernard was sat at home doing nothing, after refusing $6m to fight Roy at a 168 C-W. When Roy fought Ruiz, Bernard fought Morrade Hakkar. When Roy signed to fight Antonio Tarver, Bernard was trying to fight JMW’s. So don’t come on here spewing rubbish about having guts. Roy was in his 3rd weight class, whilst Bernard was trying to drag guys up from a lower division.

    When Bernard fought Joe at LHW in 2008, he admitted that he could have been there 6 years earlier had he have wanted, but he didn’t, as he didn’t want to give up his advantages. He also said that if he could drag a guy up to a weight which he wasn’t used to, he’d do that. So by his own admission, he could have been at LHW in 2002. Yet that same year, he wouldn’t fight Roy at 168. He only moved up to LHW after he’d lost twice to Taylor where he had nothing to lose and everything to gain.

    Regarding his rematch with Roy in 2010, it was completely meaningless. He’d passed up the opportunity in 2002, and after seeing Roy’s fight with Joe, he said: “I have no interest in fighting Roy any more. He’s no longer ‘Superman’ so a fight would be pointless” Yet just over a year later, he was signing for the fight, even telling the media that Roy had been hard done by in his loss to Danny Green in Australia. He also said that his loss to Roy in 1993, had literally been on his mind every single day. Nazim Richardson tried to talk him out of the fight but he wouldn’t listen. And then when he got his wish, the tough guy from the streets of Philly, was rolling around on the floor trying in vain to get Roy disqualified.

    Bernard fought Kovalev at 49 and he deserves huge credit for that. But the truth is, he wouldn’t take fights like that when he was prime. Fighting Kovalev at such an age gave him the attention that he craved. He loved the attention. He loved the ‘Alien’ monicker.

    Regarding Roy-Kovalev, why wouldn’t Roy have fought him? Roy’s speed and unorthodox style would have been a huge issue for him. We saw Andre Ward break Kovalev down both mentally and physically. So anybody who’d have picked Kovalev with absolute certainty would have been a fool.

    Roy has the superior resume at the weight. And he took risks that Bernard was willing to take. He chased down the best fights. He even went up to HW whilst he was at the weight. Bernard deserves credit for his longevity, but it’s not enough.

    Roy comes out on top.

    Now come and refute what I’ve said.

    I’ll wait.
     
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  15. Loudon

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    The poll’s a joke.
     


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