Who do you think has the better LHW resume out of Jones and Hopkins?

Oh ok ..Carry on:good

 

jones

 

bailey,

You are without a doubt, my favourite poster on this forum.

Ha! I love the spin you put on things. You try and twist and turn and spin your way out of any corner, trying to manipulate statistics.

It makes me smile.

You're an entertainer.

Back on topic, I don't even see how you have an argument.

Ha! You can't say that. It doesn't make a difference if Toney didn't achieve much at LHW from a statistical standpoint. Do you know why? Because he'd already proved himself as an elite fighter, and he went on to have good wins later on in his career. It doesn't matter if he didn't stay long or win a belt. Toney was still in reasonable shape back then, and a true world class fighter. The version of Toney that Griffin beat, was better than the majority of guys that fought at SMW from late 96 to mid 94. The fact that Griffin beat him, shows that Griffin was a very good fighter.

Ha! More twisting and turning.

Let's be real, do you think that I couldn't analyse every fighter who fought at SMW from 94-96, and do the exact same thing that you've done above?

It wouldn't look good for you after I'd finished.

You're kidding yourself.

Once again, we're looking specifically from Nov 96, to May 2004, which was Roy's reign at LHW.

Chris Eubank only fought once within that period.

Steve Collins only fought twice.

Nigel Benn had retired by then.

Michael Nunn can't be on your list, because he never fought at SMW within the timeframe that we're looking at.

So those four fighters aren't going to strengthen that division or your argument.


But don't just look at boxrec statistics, because even in a weak division, a fighter can have impressive stats on paper.

Take a look at how good each individual fighter was.

That's a major problem of yours.

You don't carefully analyse a fighters abilities, and take into consideration how good they were, because you're much more interested in titles won and defences made etc.

But like I always tell you, statistics don't allow for circumstances.


If you only compared stats on paper, It could/would appear than Sven Ottke was a better fighter than almost everyone who who fought at LHW within the timeframe that we're looking at.

But that's obviously not the case.

Which is why your Griffin and Toney analogy is weak.

There's countless other examples to give.

Richie Woodhall won a major title at SMW, and defended it three times. Like you've mentioned, Toney didn't do anything at LHW. So statistically, Woodhall could appear to be a better fighter than Toney. But that's clearly not the case.

I could continue to do these comparisons all day long.


Again, if you want to say that SMW was more competitive, then that's another debate.


But it's crystal clear, that from Nov 96, to May 2004, the LHW division contained better fighters.

 

I am calm.

 

Actually bothered reading the OP, didn't realise jones fought that many credible guys in between his fights vs part time boxers , so it's closer than I first thought.

 

Hopkins beat the man who beat jones

 

Roy also beat the man who lost to Hopkins.

 

Bailey,

Ha! Good stuff.

Have a good weekend, and I'll reply back soon.

 

So did Jones.

While we're at it,

Jones also beat the guy who beat Benn

Jones also beat the guy who beat Collins

Jones also beat the guy who beat Michalczewski

See how easy it is to play that game?

 

Jones fights at Light Heavyweight were a disgrace. As usual he didn't fight the best fighters available to him. Same song and dance from Glass Jaw Roy.