Who do you think is the GOAT at Heavyweight?

Voted Ali, but Louis would really be the other feasible option in this debate.

 

Mayweather. If he wanted to, he would whup everyone up there.

 

Joe Louis

 

What Ali done in an Era that we may never see again,and take into account he spent 3 Years of his absolute prime not being allowed to fight for me gives Him the number 1 position.!!!!!

 

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Ali, by a close edge over Louis... Wouldn't argue anyone that thought Louis was, but I think it was Ali.

 

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Add to this the career defining victory over the beast of heavyweights, George Foreman, in his prime despite Ali not being his. Can't believe that folk want it close.

Waiting a long time for an answer to that one bud. :rasta :rasta :rasta

 

He's probably the right choice too if it's based on record, really. With Heavyweights more so than any other division, I tend to weigh title reigns more heavily into the equation as there's nowhere else to really go for them or fighters to chase beyond what happens to be available to them in their time and JL probably had the best of them all, in any division for that matter. About as fundamentally sound as it gets though Ali was more physically gifted. I consider Louis the #1 puncher ever as well (taking into account all aspects in addition to power), and I'm honestly not even that crazy about him as a fan either.

This is Awesome Stuff, though. :deal

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Other...Wach

 

botmc.

 

I would pick Tyson over Ali easy, same for a few others. Joe Louis is one of greatest, if not the greatest. Ali needed and got help from judges and refs, Joe Louis did not.

 

Ali is most overrated athlete of all time in sports. His fights were big cause of controversy and publicity, not ability of opponents (Frazier and Foreman being exception)

He received way too many decisions he did not deserve, and won tittle on a fix. He was openly allowed to cheat, and had easy opposition that was elevated in status by nut-hugging writers who loved Ali cause of his political stance, not his boxing. Frazier beat him, fair and square. In rematch, Ali held so much he should have had points taken away, and did not deserve decision. Louis, Tyson, Marciano, Dempsey, all beat him. Holyfield maybe. If prime Holmes and Ali fought, I'd pick Holmes. Frazier in prime vs prime Ali--Frazier, every time. How the **** is he greatest? The Cleveland (Half dead) Williams fight got people convinced?

Really? Based on what? I gave facts, you give nothing.

 

ali with Joe Louis in 2nd

 

Of course he did he had it off to a fine art,he was always in control with it he was never off balance.Watch the fights junior you might learn something.

 

Your position is obviously built on hate. You're just another revisionist who believes all the **** that has been spewed out by them.
If you look at the first Liston fight he boxed Liston's head off he didn't need any so called fix,and in any case anything that was going on almost cerytainly involved Liston just look at Ali's reaction when Liston goes down in the 2nd fight,he stands over him, gestures for him to get up and shout's "get up ya bum" is that the actions of someone in on a fix? It's there watch the footage.
Of course Ali got the benefit of some tight decisions in a long career wow that's a shock,a fighter gets the benefit of the doubt in a boxing match,he's a fraud!
Dirty fighter? Did you watch Marciano,Tyson,Holmes and Lewis? That's all in the game anyway,this isn't tiddleywinks.
All I know is from the early sixties to 1980 a period of nearly 20 years he fought just about every conceivable contender beating some twice. He ducked no one and in the middle of that had 3 and a half years out of the game. He came back had lost a lot of his speed and physical attributes and took the best Foreman,Frazier,Lyle,Norton,Shavers,Quarry and company had to offer showed unbelievable toughness and fighting heart.
I have absolutely no problem with people preferring the great Joe Louis and Larry Holmes or whoever over Ali,but it's when these clowns dismiss him as some kind of fraud who got the benefit "fixes" and judges decisions and ignore his incredible achievments,****ing hell there's even one clown on here who says he had poor balance! I ****ing despair.